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Week 6 - Green Bay @ Seattle - 10/12 - 3:15 PM CDT

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Post#81 » by Simulack » Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:42 pm

This game is crazy. What a lucky bounce right back to Romo on fumble. They have been the beneficiaries of more bizarre happenings the last few minutes than any team in any game this year. Wow.
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Post#82 » by trwi7 » Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:43 pm

BLOCKED KICK TD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CARDINALS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post#83 » by Simulack » Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:44 pm

That game was even stranger than Bears/Falcons game. Wow.
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Re: Week 6 - Green Bay @ Seattle - 10/12 - 3:15 PM CDT 

Post#84 » by LUKE23 » Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:50 pm

The problem with running the ball is the OL, not Grant. When Grant is getting holes, he's running well. Today, there was play after play after play where there were two guys waiting for him right in the lane we were trying to run in. I also don't think he's 100% yet, and if he is he hasn't been 100% for long.

Not worried about Grant. Worried about the OL, and have been all year. It's the primary problem on this team along with defensive injuries.
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Post#85 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:39 am

I disagree. I've said it for years. Poor runningbacks run hard. Grant got his big deal and now he looks like he's running not to get hurt. Goes down at the first touch and slow to get to the line instead of running down hill the way he did last season.

I didn't want to give him a long term deal. I don't like giving any runningback a long term deal.
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Post#86 » by LUKE23 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:42 am

I don't agree whatsoever. Grant is still running hard. When he has space he's maximizing it. How many times today did he have two defenders in his grill less than a second after he got the ball?

The OL, along with defensive injuries, is the #1 problem on this team. Their run blocking is absolutely abysmal.

Not worried about Grant at all. Am worried about the OL.
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Post#87 » by xTitan » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:51 am

I am with DB on this one, several times Grant had cut back lanes and he missed them. Grant is committing the cardinal sin for RB's, he putting his head down and running into the back of his lineman. Grant had a couple chances once he got to the second level to make a big play and he failed, I think he looks awful.
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Post#88 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:59 am

Awful was the word I thought of most when I watched him run.
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Post#89 » by LUKE23 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:03 am

I'm not worried about the RB position on our roster. I don't believe Grant is full strength yet, and I don't think how he's performed has anything to do with his contract.

The OL this year has opened up the worst holes of any OL I've seen play. They are horrendous. Could Grant have done some things differently? Yes. But if I"m assessing blame, the OL gets far more for our running performance so far this year.
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Post#90 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:20 am

I'm not saying that the line is without fault or they even look good. But Grant last year would run hard to the hole, find the cutback lane and go. This year gets to the spot where the cutback lane is and instead of getting up field he just finds the closest warm body to run into and drops.
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Re: Week 6 - Green Bay @ Seattle - 10/12 - 3:15 PM CDT 

Post#91 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:03 am

Any running back can gain yards with big holes. Grant is not the same runner he was last year.
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Post#92 » by bucks59 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:33 am

I didn't get to watch the game today, but Grant has not looked the same this year, but the offensive line has also been bad.

The only thing I disagree with you about DB is that Grant really did not get a big contract. It was a reasonable offer but not huge. I think the main problem is that he missed the entire off season and is just not ready to play yet, and is still injured. I haven't done the research on this, but I just have a hunch that running backs that miss significant time in the off season do not play well the following season. I think Grant is just another guy on a laundry list of players that this is true for. Hopefully he can fix this problem after the bye. I am really happy to see that he got a significant amount of carries. If the Packers are going to do well, the running game is going to be key.
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Post#93 » by eagle13 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:39 am

MickeyDavis wrote:Any running back can gain yards with big holes. Grant is not the same runner he was last year.


I agree that Grant is not playing the same as last year - AND - conversely the Oline IS playing the same as it was playing at this same time last year - like absolute cr@p.

Grant clearly missed some openings I couldn't believe - AND many many times there were not even microscopic holes there. Both Grant and Oline look lost. Last weeks it was - if not a fumble then a holding call. Today it was - If not a missed cut then then a swarm of untouched defenders. Against a 24th ranked D. Our run game is just in shambles.

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Post#94 » by Jollay » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:43 am

The guy is coming off a legit hamstring injury. In a way he's just breaking camp almost now.

The line has not helped at all. Hopefully it will start to stabilize, Clifton & Tauscher can refocus and recapture their play of last year, and any one of the young guards can step up and be an above average, or in some cases even an average player.

We'll know for sure the first two weeks after the bye I think.
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Re: Week 6 - Green Bay @ Seattle - 10/12 - 3:15 PM CDT 

Post#95 » by El Duderino » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:50 am

A struggling running back and poor run blocking line is always going to equal a bad running game. Trying to decide who is more at fault is like trying to decide who is better looking, Rosie O'Donnell or Roseanne Barr.

Glad we got the win, but it wasn't exactly very impressive given just how bad Seattle is, especially with Frye at QB.
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Post#96 » by mbucks22 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:53 am

El Duderino wrote:A struggling running back and poor run blocking line is always going to equal a bad running game. Trying to decide who is more at fault is like trying to decide who is better looking, Rosie O'Donnell or Roseanne Barr.

Glad we got the win, but it wasn't exactly very impressive given just how bad Seattle is, especially with Frye at QB.


Not so much the first half, but the second half we took over. Picked off Frye twice and got to him almost at will (well, we got to him that well all game actually).
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Post#97 » by eagle13 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:11 am

Jollay wrote:The guy is coming off a legit hamstring injury. In a way he's just breaking camp almost now.

The line has not helped at all. Hopefully it will start to stabilize, Clifton & Tauscher can refocus and recapture their play of last year, and any one of the young guards can step up and be an above average, or in some cases even an average player.

We'll know for sure the first two weeks after the bye I think.


Well put. Maybe we are being too hard on Grant - if its injuries hampering his aggressive cuts?

Oline? I hope Sitton gets a shot and delivers like his camp. Its so hard to believe clif & tausch could have crumbled so fast. I too have hope they will rebound. But reality may not work out that way? Big big factor in our success - especially with teams with good DLs.
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Re: Week 6 - Green Bay @ Seattle - 10/12 - 3:15 PM CDT 

Post#98 » by El Duderino » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:56 am

mbucks22 wrote:
El Duderino wrote:A struggling running back and poor run blocking line is always going to equal a bad running game. Trying to decide who is more at fault is like trying to decide who is better looking, Rosie O'Donnell or Roseanne Barr.

Glad we got the win, but it wasn't exactly very impressive given just how bad Seattle is, especially with Frye at QB.


Not so much the first half, but the second half we took over. Picked off Frye twice and got to him almost at will (well, we got to him that well all game actually).



There is a reason that Frye was Seattle's third string backup, he sucks. In 2006 when he got a chance to start, he threw 10 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. He doesn't have a really strong arm, he's not accurate on passes that aren't short throws, he stares down receivers he intends to throw to, and he holds the ball to long.

Listen, i'm glad we won and do believe in the thought that any road win is a good win, regardless who you play. Hell, the Rams beat Washington on the road, upsets happen all the time. That said, if the exact same Seattle team we faced today had to play 16 games with Frye at QB, i doubt they'd win more than three games, four at most.

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