GT: Green Bay Packers @ Washington Redskins

[Newz]

It's not stupidity it's fact,Rodgers has never come in big in the clutch and won us a game with the exception of the Bears game 1 week one last year.

So you think Jake Delhomme is more of a clutch QB than Aaron Rodgers?

[Bernman]

It's not stupidity it's fact,Rodgers has never come in big in the clutch and won us a game with the exception of the Bears game 1 week one last year.

It's stupid that some people act like a quarterback is the only player on a team and judge him primarily by his overall record, and record in certain situations. He's one guy on a 22-24 player core. Even if you believe a player a QB is vastly more influential than anybody else, he can't have reasonably more than about a 30% impact on the game. He has no influence on the defense or special teams. Are those not important parts of the game? Then on offense he's still somewhat dependent upon receivers to catch the football, offensive linemen to block, and a running game to not make the team predictable. So to pin an outcome solely on him, either way, is wholly unrealistic. What does he have to do with leading a scoring drive and watching the defense turn around and allow a score with no time on the clock. That happened numerous times between '08 and now. For all intents and purposes they should count as a comeback or clutch performance. You're fixating on the technicality and ignoring the reality.

[rilamann]

It's not stupidity it's fact,Rodgers has never come in big in the clutch and won us a game with the exception of the Bears game 1 week one last year.

It's stupid that some people act like a quarterback is the only player on a team and judge him primarily by his overall record, and record in certain situations. He's one guy on a 22-24 player core. Even if you believe a player a QB is vastly more influential than anybody else, he can't have reasonably more than about a 30% impact on the game. He has no influence on the defense or special teams. Are those not important parts of the game? Then on offense he's still somewhat dependent upon receivers to catch the football, offensive linemen to block, and a running game to not make the team predictable. So to pin an outcome solely on him, either way, is wholly unrealistic. What does he have to do with leading a scoring drive and watching the defense turn around and allow a score with no time on the clock. That happened numerous times between '08 and now. For all intents and purposes they should count as a comeback or clutch performance. You're fixating on the technicality and ignoring the reality.

But Rodgers has had opportunities in a lot of games (2008,2009,2010) to make plays with the game on the line and he never comes threw.

It's not like I'm just saying this cause of one game,it's adding up and starting to become a trend.

[trwi7]

But Rodgers has had opportunities in a lot of games (2008,2009,2010) to make plays with the game on the line and he never comes threw.

2008 - Rodgers leads the Packers into FG range against the Vikings down 1 with under 2 minutes left. McCarthy goes extra conservative and settles for a 52 yard FG which Crosby misses.

Rodgers leads the Packers on a nearly 10 minute drive against the Panthers to take the lead with less than two minutes left. First play after the kickoff is a 50+ yard pass and they score on the next play.

Rodgers leads the Packers on a game tying TD drive against Houston with under 6 minutes to go and then completes a pass to Driver for 60 yards on their next possession which ends up getting wiped out by a penalty on Tony Moll and a sack with awful protection and they end up having to punt. Punt gets downed at the Texans 3 with 1:49 left, defense allows Texans to get into FG range. Packers lose as time expirings.

Rodgers leads Packers on drive which ends with a FG to give them a two point lead. First play after the kickoff is a 40 yard pass that gets the Jaguars into Green Bay territory. They go on to score a TD with less than 2 minutes left.

Packers play the Bears the next week. Rodgers gets them down to the Bears 20 and Crosby has his kicked blocked with 20 seconds left. Bears win the coin toss in overtime, don't give the ball back and win.

[Ill-yasova]

But Rodgers has had opportunities in a lot of games (2008,2009,2010) to make plays with the game on the line and he never comes threw.

2008 - Rodgers leads the Packers into FG range against the Vikings down 1 with under 2 minutes left. McCarthy goes extra conservative and settles for a 52 yard FG which Crosby misses.

Rodgers leads the Packers on a nearly 10 minute drive against the Panthers to take the lead with less than two minutes left. First play after the kickoff is a 50+ yard pass and they score on the next play.

Rodgers leads the Packers on a game tying TD drive against Houston with under 6 minutes to go and then completes a pass to Driver for 60 yards on their next possession which ends up getting wiped out by a penalty on Tony Moll and a sack with awful protection and they end up having to punt. Punt gets downed at the Texans 3 with 1:49 left, defense allows Texans to get into FG range. Packers lose as time expirings.

Rodgers leads Packers on drive which ends with a FG to give them a two point lead. First play after the kickoff is a 40 yard pass that gets the Jaguars into Green Bay territory. They go on to score a TD with less than 2 minutes left.

Packers play the Bears the next week. Rodgers gets them down to the Bears 20 and Crosby has his kicked blocked with 20 seconds left. Bears win the coin toss in overtime, don't give the ball back and win.

Whoa, let's not let facts get in the way of illogical hatred.

[Bernman]

2008 - Rodgers leads the Packers into FG range against the Vikings down 1 with under 2 minutes left. McCarthy goes extra conservative and settles for a 52 yard FG which Crosby misses.

Rodgers leads the Packers on a nearly 10 minute drive against the Panthers to take the lead with less than two minutes left. First play after the kickoff is a 50+ yard pass and they score on the next play.

Rodgers leads the Packers on a game tying TD drive against Houston with under 6 minutes to go and then completes a pass to Driver for 60 yards on their next possession which ends up getting wiped out by a penalty on Tony Moll and a sack with awful protection and they end up having to punt. Punt gets downed at the Texans 3 with 1:49 left, defense allows Texans to get into FG range. Packers lose as time expirings.

Rodgers leads Packers on drive which ends with a FG to give them a two point lead. First play after the kickoff is a 40 yard pass that gets the Jaguars into Green Bay territory. They go on to score a TD with less than 2 minutes left.

Packers play the Bears the next week. Rodgers gets them down to the Bears 20 and Crosby has his kicked blocked with 20 seconds left. Bears win the coin toss in overtime, don't give the ball back and win.

Good research, twirls.

I knew there had been a number of instances but couldn't remember the specific games and situations. The Panthers' game rings a bell. I remember being particularly disgusted by how badly the defense blew that game after we had it in the bag. I think it was Woodson who got beaten over the top, possibly with Collins' help or lack there of.

And there were quite a few that you didn't mention. More recently, and easier to remember, was in the Bears' game this season where we were bearing down on field goal range (which was all we needed), but James Jones coughs it up, and the Bears comeback to score with no time on the clock.

Choking is surely a team malfunction, with A-Rod being one of the culprits, but not even among the most glaring. Clutch play, or lack thereof, tends to be rather contagious. Each player puts pressure on the next to be the hero, or takes pressure off one or another. This psychological issue began all the way in '08 by the defense, or maybe the last game in '07 where Brent kept sabotaging the defense's efforts. We've built through the draft and relied on young players so a lot of those guys are still around to be all too cognizant of the history.

[rilamann]

Ok saying Rodgers is the most un-clutch QB in the league is off base,I was typing on emotion after today's loss.


But while he's not the most ''un-clutch'' he's deff mediocre in that area like Bernman said.


But trust me,nobody roots for Rodgers to come thru in the clutch more than I do.That's why I get so frustrated when he doesn't come thru.

I've almost come to blows with people defending Rodgers in 2008 for the 6-10 record not being his fault.Rodgers did lead some 4th qtr drives only for the D or specials teams to F it up.

But last year and this year Rodgers is just starting to look (not just based on today) like one of those guys who puts up great numbers and looks great the first 3 qtrs but wilts in the 4th,at least on the road.

[Ayt]

So was that yet another no call on a hit to Rodgers head on the INT?

[MadCityBucky]

Said it was a facemask that hit Aaron's helmet, couldn't really tell on the replays they showed. Just goes with the flow of things for the Packers

[REDDzone]

2008 - Rodgers leads the Packers into FG range against the Vikings down 1 with under 2 minutes left. McCarthy goes extra conservative and settles for a 52 yard FG which Crosby misses.

Rodgers leads the Packers on a nearly 10 minute drive against the Panthers to take the lead with less than two minutes left. First play after the kickoff is a 50+ yard pass and they score on the next play.

Rodgers leads the Packers on a game tying TD drive against Houston with under 6 minutes to go and then completes a pass to Driver for 60 yards on their next possession which ends up getting wiped out by a penalty on Tony Moll and a sack with awful protection and they end up having to punt. Punt gets downed at the Texans 3 with 1:49 left, defense allows Texans to get into FG range. Packers lose as time expirings.

Rodgers leads Packers on drive which ends with a FG to give them a two point lead. First play after the kickoff is a 40 yard pass that gets the Jaguars into Green Bay territory. They go on to score a TD with less than 2 minutes left.

Packers play the Bears the next week. Rodgers gets them down to the Bears 20 and Crosby has his kicked blocked with 20 seconds left. Bears win the coin toss in overtime, don't give the ball back and win.

Nice job, thanks for this.