Dolphins Lead Up: UPDATE: Rodgers Probable, Clay Doubtful

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Really, I can't be the only one who finds this comical. The NFL admitted they screwed up and they're basically telling us everything's fine now that the Skins player got punished.

Embarrassing. There should be an asterisk next to that 2 in the L column.

I hate the way they call back plays for solid hits. I think it's a shame when a game is changed because of a late hit that didn't really impact the throw. For that reason, I won't whine about the lack of a penalty for Rodgers.

[BigSmooth_31]

Yea He flew into him head first like super man...

He was already in "I didnt do anything" mode while he was flying through the air, it should have been pretty clear.

[trwi7]

I hate the way they call back plays for solid hits. I think it's a shame when a game is changed because of a late hit that didn't really impact the throw. For that reason, I won't whine about the lack of a penalty for Rodgers.

It is a shame that they've pussified the game so much, but since they have they should call it fair for everyone. Rodgers has been boned three times on calls in less than a year. The final two plays of the Arizona game and the Redskins game. The rules are clear and it should've been a penalty for all three of those.

[El Duderino]

Really, I can't be the only one who finds this comical. The NFL admitted they screwed up and they're basically telling us everything's fine now that the Skins player got punished.

Embarrassing. There should be an asterisk next to that 2 in the L column.

The refs blew that call, but i think it's crazy to mainly blame the refs for why the Packers lost that game. The Packers had numerous chances to put Washington away so that the game never even went to OT and thus that play with Rodgers never happened, but they gagged away putting their foot on the Redskins throat. I see the same thing every week in college and/or pro football. A team has a chance to put away the other team and fail to do so, then a fluke play or missed/bad call plays a role in ending up losing.

Plus, important calls at key times in a game are screwed up all the time, the Packers are hardly alone in that happening to them. If we put an asterisk by every NFL game which was influenced by a bad or missed call, they would have to change the name of the National Football League to the National Asterisk League.

There is a reason why coaches rarely blame refs for a loss, unlike fans. Coaches know that after being apart of so many games, refs make mistakes and sometimes at crucial times, so you better capitalize when opportunities are there so that you aren't stuck in a position where one blown call or fluke bounce late in the game can heavily influence the outcome.

[El Duderino]

Really, I can't be the only one who finds this comical. The NFL admitted they screwed up and they're basically telling us everything's fine now that the Skins player got punished.

Embarrassing. There should be an asterisk next to that 2 in the L column.

I hate the way they call back plays for solid hits. I think it's a shame when a game is changed because of a late hit that didn't really impact the throw. For that reason, I won't whine about the lack of a penalty for Rodgers.

I agree

While that technically should have been a helmet to helmet penalty, it's ridiculous that there is no discretion involved on those kind of hits. The Redskins lineman clearly tried slowing up as he was running into Rodgers, he put both arms out, and made no effort at all to try and drive Aaron into the ground. He did exactly what the NFL wants in the desire to protect only quarterbacks, slow up and try to be nice so the QB doesn't get hurt. Their helmets did hit, but sometimes that's impossible to avoid in a very high speed game where a defensive player can't know just where exactly a quarterbacks head will be right before impact given that the QB could move his head/body left, right, or duck at the last split second.

Same with hits on wide receivers. The receiver will duck or move his body at the last second before impact and the safety gets flagged and fined as if while running full speed, the safety can read the receivers mind to know exactly just which direction the receiver will move his body and head right before impact.

Plus, as you said, that simply was a terrible throw by Rodgers and the hit came afterward. At least the one vs Arizona could be argued that the helmet hit helped caused the fumble which lost the game. That missed call bothered me much more.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

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[rilamann]

Really, I can't be the only one who finds this comical. The NFL admitted they screwed up and they're basically telling us everything's fine now that the Skins player got punished.

Embarrassing. There should be an asterisk next to that 2 in the L column.

The refs blew that call, but i think it's crazy to mainly blame the refs for why the Packers lost that game. The Packers had numerous chances to put Washington away so that the game never even went to OT and thus that play with Rodgers never happened, but they gagged away putting their foot on the Redskins throat. I see the same thing every week in college and/or pro football. A team has a chance to put away the other team and fail to do so, then a fluke play or missed/bad call plays a role in ending up losing.

I probably have been more critical of the Packers and MM this past week than anybody but
that's bull.

Not to call you out Dude but one of my biggest peeves when it comes to talking and discussing sports is when a team loses on a blatant no call/got screwed ect and someone says ''well they had opportunities earlier in the game,that's not why they lost.''

Sure the Packers had opportunities but that doesn't justify or make it ok that we got screwed in the end.

It would be like if you and me played a game of 1 on 1 for lets say 10 grand and we hired a ref,as you were going in for the game winning lay up and the 10 grand I flagrantly fouled you causing you to miss and the ref didn't call a foul.In the end I ended up winning and taking the home 10 grand and when you say you got screwed everyone just tells you ''you missed like 5 open shots in that game,that flagrant no call isn't why you lost.''


It's basically the same principle here and I'm guessing in that situation you would have a much different opinion.

There is a reason why coaches rarely blame refs for a loss, unlike fans. Coaches know that after they complain they get fined up the ass.

Fixed that part for you.

[El Duderino]

Really, I can't be the only one who finds this comical. The NFL admitted they screwed up and they're basically telling us everything's fine now that the Skins player got punished.

Embarrassing. There should be an asterisk next to that 2 in the L column.

The refs blew that call, but i think it's crazy to mainly blame the refs for why the Packers lost that game. The Packers had numerous chances to put Washington away so that the game never even went to OT and thus that play with Rodgers never happened, but they gagged away putting their foot on the Redskins throat. I see the same thing every week in college and/or pro football. A team has a chance to put away the other team and fail to do so, then a fluke play or missed/bad call plays a role in ending up losing.

I probably have been more critical of the Packers and MM this past week than anybody but
that's bull.

Not to call you out Dude but one of my biggest peeves when it comes to talking and discussing sports is when a team loses on a blatant no call/got screwed ect and someone says ''well they had opportunities earlier in the game,that's not why they lost.''

Sure the Packers had opportunities but that doesn't justify or make it ok that we got screwed in the end.

It would be like if you and me played a game of 1 on 1 for lets say 10 grand and we hired a ref,as you were going in for the game winning lay up and the 10 grand I flagrantly fouled you causing you to miss and the ref didn't call a foul.In the end I ended up winning and taking the home 10 grand and when you say you got screwed everyone just tells you ''you missed like 5 open shots in that game,that flagrant no call isn't why you lost.''


It's basically the same principle here and I'm guessing in that situation you would have a much different opinion.

First of all, the hit came after the terrible throw by Aaron, it had no impact on why the pass was picked off. Bad analogy.

I also disagree that the play on Rodgers was a super obvious flagrant call in real time that the ref blindly missed. I was watching the game with my buddy and neither of us noticed the helmet to helmet hit. In fact, i replayed the throw a second time after the TV replay to see if the ball hit the ground first and still never noticed the should be penalty, neither did my buddy. Granted though, it's not my job to specifically watch the QB for penalties.

The other reason i rarely blame refs for a loss over one call is the rest of the game prior. I found it funny that twice Buck/Aikman wanted to spotlight the good job that Bulaga was doing at RT and on both replays that they showed, Bulaga was getting beat and he had his arm wrapped aroung Orakpo's throat in clearly obvious holds very similar to the one Dallas got flagged for on the last play vs Washington in week one which cost the Cowboys the game. Woodson also got away with an incredibly blatant pass interference against Moss on a 3rd down pass that would have resulted in a 1st down for Washington around midfield, both announcers then laughed about Woodson getting a superstar non-call. There were calls i'm sure that were missed against Washington. Point being that Packer fans were only so irate over the missed call on Rodgers because of when it happened in the game, in OT after he threw a dumb pick on our side of the field.

On the flip side, Packer fans could laugh when vs Detroit they were only down two points and on about our 45 with 7 minutes left. Woodson pretty clearly should have been called for pass interference against Calvin Johnson, but he wasn't and they had to punt. If that had been Bush or Shields grabbing Johnson's jersey, a flag is out. The Lions never got the ball back.

Calls get missed all the time during most NFL games, some that often get forgotten by fans because they happened in the 1st half or if they benefited their team, but if a ref blows a call late, the fans will blame the ref for the loss as if it was the only missed call in the game. I find that type of thinking to be dumb unless the penalty clearly impacted the result of why the play happened as it did. If Rodgers hadn't thrown such a terrible pass on that play or it happened in the 1st quarter, my guess is few Packer fans wouldn't have even noticed or barely bitched about the missed helmet to helmet call.

[humanrefutation]

I don't think the Rodgers hit rises to this level by any means, but I wonder when an NFL/NBA/MLB team will get screwed by a critical missed call so plainly and obviously that the league will step in and change the final outcome?

[Siefer]

I don't think the Rodgers hit rises to this level by any means, but I wonder when an NFL/NBA/MLB team will get screwed by a critical missed call so plainly and obviously that the league will step in and change the final outcome?

I doubt a league office will ever directly change a result, but we have seen a part of a game replayed before, relatively recently even.

This was a scorer's table issue, but it still caused the end of a game to be replayed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3192421

[BigSmooth_31]

I don't think the Rodgers hit rises to this level by any means, but I wonder when an NFL/NBA/MLB team will get screwed by a critical missed call so plainly and obviously that the league will step in and change the final outcome?

I doubt a league office will ever directly change a result, but we have seen a part of a game replayed before, relatively recently even.

This was a scorer's table issue, but it still caused the end of a game to be replayed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3192421

I would like to see this happen again this year with these same exact words in the story about it....

while the Heat have one less loss on their miserable record.

I can dream cant I...

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Thought this was interesting.

With all the ancillary injuries here, it’s tough to know who the Packers are or how they will play. It’s such an unknown that Vegas won’t even publish a line.

Read more: http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ ... z12Ykl19we

[MickeyDavis]

Caesars and a couple of others took the Pack game off the board. MGM and Mirage have Pack by 3.5. Others have it Pack by 3.