UW vs. Major Dad's Alma mater Game Thread

[Turk Nowitzki]

We need the computer rankings to start giving us some love.

Unfortunately we don't have any teams left on our schedule that will give us a big computer bump if we win.

I hate the freakin' BCS so much. One 10 point road loss and we have no shot at the national championship. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Not only no shot at the national championship, i still think even if we win out, we'll get passed over for a BCS game by OSU who we beat and be back yet again in the Capital One Bowl.

Disagree. How could you possibly justify picking OSU over UW if we win out?

[chuckleslove]

We need the computer rankings to start giving us some love.

Unfortunately we don't have any teams left on our schedule that will give us a big computer bump if we win.

I hate the freakin' BCS so much. One 10 point road loss and we have no shot at the national championship. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Not only no shot at the national championship, i still think even if we win out, we'll get passed over for a BCS game by OSU who we beat and be back yet again in the Capital One Bowl.

Disagree. How could you possibly justify picking OSU over UW if we win out?

It doesn't matter, they don't get to pick if we end up in a 3 way tie with MSU and OSU based on record then it will go to BCS rankings and if they pass us there is nothing we can do about it, the good news is that we have a pretty good margin over them, I think if we win out we get a BCS bowl.

[MikeIsGood]

We need the computer rankings to start giving us some love.

Unfortunately we don't have any teams left on our schedule that will give us a big computer bump if we win.

I hate the freakin' BCS so much. One 10 point road loss and we have no shot at the national championship. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Not only no shot at the national championship, i still think even if we win out, we'll get passed over for a BCS game by OSU who we beat and be back yet again in the Capital One Bowl.

That's only going to become a factor, though, if MSU and UW tie to win the conference. Obviously, that can happen, but if I'm thinking about this correctly that's the only scenario in which bowls will have a choice of OSU and Wisconsin. If we tie with Iowa or OSU, we win the conference because of our head-to-head. If there's a three-way tie, the team with the highest BCS ranking goes. Right now, that's us. Will OSU pass us if they beat Iowa? Not sure. If they did, then it's a choice of Wisconsin and Michigan State. Much like the UW/OSU question, UW could get the nod over MSU despite what happened when they matched up.

So it's possible for it to happen I suppose, but I wouldn't bank on it. Still think PSU can beat MSU, anyways.

[chuckleslove]

I don't think OSU can pass us with a win if we also win. They are way behind in the computers and the humans will look at our head to head domination of them.

[MikeIsGood]

I don't think OSU can pass us with a win if we also win. They are way behind in the computers and the humans will look at our head to head domination of them.

I hope that's the case. I guess the good news is that's the same week we play probably our toughest game left: @ Michigan.

[chuckleslove]

I don't think OSU can pass us with a win if we also win. They are way behind in the computers and the humans will look at our head to head domination of them.

I hope that's the case. I guess the good news is that's the same week we play probably our toughest game left: @ Michigan.

We gained more on them this week in the computers and overall BCS percentage, last week I was worried now I feel we have an insurmountable gap if we win out. I guess if they blow out Iowa and we did something like struggle with Michigan, Northwestern, or Indiana they could close that gap but it is pretty big right now.

[El Duderino]

We need the computer rankings to start giving us some love.

Unfortunately we don't have any teams left on our schedule that will give us a big computer bump if we win.

I hate the freakin' BCS so much. One 10 point road loss and we have no shot at the national championship. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Not only no shot at the national championship, i still think even if we win out, we'll get passed over for a BCS game by OSU who we beat and be back yet again in the Capital One Bowl.

That's only going to become a factor, though, if MSU and UW tie to win the conference. Obviously, that can happen, but if I'm thinking about this correctly that's the only scenario in which bowls will have a choice of OSU and Wisconsin. If we tie with Iowa or OSU, we win the conference because of our head-to-head. If there's a three-way tie, the team with the highest BCS ranking goes. Right now, that's us.Will OSU pass us if they beat Iowa? Not sure. If they did, then it's a choice of Wisconsin and Michigan State. Much like the UW/OSU question, UW could get the nod over MSU despite what happened when they matched up.

So it's possible for it to happen I suppose, but I wouldn't bank on it. Still think PSU can beat MSU, anyways.

A few questions

1.If there is a three way tie between MSU, UW, and OSU, who gets the Rose Bowl spot and how is it determined? In that scenario, aren't we out of the running since we lost to MSU?

2.I should be cheering for Iowa right vs OSU?

3. If MSU wins out, we have no chance to get to the Rose Bowl?

4. Is there any chance at all that Iowa can go to the Rose Bowl if they win out and so do we?

I have no idea how this stuff is determined

[MikeIsGood]

1. False. When there's a three- way tie, the team with the highest BCS ranking will get the conferences auto bid and go to the Rose Bowl.

2. Yes. Get OSU out of the way. It's in the realm of possibility that they could pass us in BCS standings. Probably not, but it's possible I think. Iowa? Zero chance. Way too far back.

3. Not true. I think point 1 addressed this.

4. No. There would have to be a three- way tie and they'd have top miraculously jump us in the BCS.

[trwi7]

1. Highest BCS ranking based on all having the same record and OSU and MSU not playing each other.

2. Right. Just because OSU is closer to us in the BCS and therefore is more likely to jump us assuming both win out.

3. No. If we have the highest BCS ranking we get it, but even if we don't there's still a very strong chance we get one of the other BCS games.

4. No.

[MikeIsGood]

Twirl is right: point 4 is flat out no.

[El Duderino]

1. False. When there's a three- way tie, the team with the highest BCS ranking will get the conferences auto bid and go to the Rose Bowl.

2. Yes. Get OSU out of the way. It's in the realm of possibility that they could pass us in BCS standings. Probably not, but it's possible I think. Iowa? Zero chance. Way too far back.

3. Not true. I think point 1 addressed this.

4. No. There would have to be a three- way tie and they'd have top miraculously jump us in the BCS.

Thanks Mike

What changed with OSU? I thought that i read or heard a week/two weeks ago that if OSU won out, they were a near lock to pass us in the BCS rankings even though we beat them because their SOS was better?

One last question, do the BCS rankings take into consideration at all if two teams finish with equal records, but one team beat the other in a head to head matchup? It just seems to me that if two teams in the same conference have equal records, but they played each other, the team that won that game should automatically get the nod if there is a two way tie unless there is a quite large difference in SOS.

IMO we should get the nod no matter what if we finish in a two way tie with OSU. I'd say the same for MSU over the Badgers even though they didn't have to face OSU.

EDIT-- One more question. Let's say OSU and UW both win out and they are the two teams to get a BCS berth from the conference. Does say the Rose Bowl get to pick which team they want and if they preferred OSU, we'd be assigned to a different BCS game?

[trwi7]

There was talk that because OSU was so close to us in the BCS rankings and with them having a more difficult schedule down the stretch (mainly Iowa and Penn State) that if they won out they could jump us in the BCS. That has become less of a worry now since Wisconsin has pulled ahead of them more.

BCS rankings just take the AP Poll and Coaches Poll and combine with the computers and come up with a ranking. I'm sure some who vote in the AP Poll and Coaches poll take who beat who head to head into consideration just like I'm sure some of the computer dudes do.

[El Duderino]

There was talk that because OSU was so close to us in the BCS rankings and with them having a more difficult schedule down the stretch (mainly Iowa and Penn State) that if they won out they could jump us in the BCS. That has become less of a worry now since Wisconsin has pulled ahead of them more.

BCS rankings just take the AP Poll and Coaches Poll and combine with the computers and come up with a ranking. I'm sure some who vote in the AP Poll and Coaches poll take who beat who head to head into consideration just like I'm sure some of the computer dudes do.

One more question. Let's say OSU and UW both win out and they are the two teams to get a BCS berth from the conference. Does say the Rose Bowl get to pick which team they want and if they preferred OSU, we'd be assigned to a different BCS game even if we are rated higher in the BCS rankings? Or does the Rose Bowl automatically to the highest rated BCS team in the Big Ten and the next team gets an at large BCS game?

[trwi7]

If OSU and Wisconsin are the only two teams with one loss Wisconsin would win the conference and go to the Rose Bowl.

The Big Ten Champion which in this case would be Wisconsin gets to go to the Rose Bowl assuming that they aren't playing in the National Championship.

Edit: I should say if we want the Rose Bowl, we should be rooting for Ohio State because we aren't going to get it if Michigan State and Iowa win out.

If Wisconsin, Iowa and Michigan State tie at 7-1 Iowa would be eliminated based on their 10-2 record while Wisconsin and Michigan State would have 11-1 records. In that case Michigan State would win the tiebreaker in the head to head.

If Wisconsin, Ohio State and Michigan State are tied then it goes to BCS ranking and Wisconsin would likely win that.

Either way, Badgers just have to take care of their own business and win out and they're going to get a BCS Bowl whether it's the Rose or another one.

[El Duderino]

Not that i expect Oregon to lose a game and thus not play for the National Championship, but if they did lose a game and end up in the Rose Bowl instead, i don't want Wisconsin to be anywhere near playing the Ducks in the Rose Bowl. They would eat our defense alive.

A Stanford/Wisconsin Rose Bowl would be a very intriguing game, but i would fear their offense vs our defense.

[ReasonablySober]

SI.com's Mandle predicts Wisconsin (Big 10 Champ) vs TCU (at-large) in the Rose Bowl.

God damn that would be awesome.

[trwi7]

I've seen a lot of Wisconsin vs Auburn in the Sugar Bowl.

Edit: And ouch for Utah, had a chance at a BCS Bowl and now they're projected for the Maaco Bowl.

[chuckleslove]

CBS has always done pretty good in their projections:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... redictions

Also here are ESPNs

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections

I find it interesting that so many have MSU ending up in the Outback bowl with Iowa going to the Capital One bowl.

[trwi7]

Iowa is a bigger draw and a better team than MSU.