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Re: GameThread: Toons @ Denards 

Post#501 » by El Duderino » Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:42 am

DrugBust wrote:Boise St has the closest thing college football has to a pro-style offense. You watch that team play and they're scary on both sides of the ball.

That said, I'd love to get them in the Rose Bowl. Not because I think we'd have a better shot, but because it'd be a measuring stick kind of game. Boise is really **** good. Beat them and I think we have a claim as a top two team this year.


Plus, a game vs Boise would get lots of media and football fans attention because lots of people would be very curious to see how they'd play against a very good BCS conference team.

I have no doubt that their offense would cause the Badgers defense plenty of problems, but i'd be very curious to see how their defense held up vs our dominant running game?

Hope we get to find out, i just don't want to play against VT or especially the Big Least winner. Neither would offer a compelling matchup.
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Re: GameThread: Toons @ Denards 

Post#502 » by Bernman » Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:30 pm

Both Wisconsin and Boise State run versions of pro style offenses.

Boise State's reminds me of the Packers' before Grant was sidelined.

Ours is akin to the Denver's when they won the two Super Bowls. Just like people knew Terrell Davis was going to run and couldn't stop it, it's a very similar situation with the Badgers and any running back they employ. Plus, they both had pretty good quarterbacks who can beat you in PA if the box is stacked.

Wisconsin's offense is better than Boise State's, even though they score less points per game. The points per possession category is actually an advantage to the Badgers, and turnover percentage is a discernible advantage as well. That's without even factoring in the different competition levels.

I like the Badgers beating Boise State with their offensive advantage, how susceptible defensively BSU looked each time they played a major school this year (early, but all we have to go by), and the Badgers' having enough playmakers on the D like Watt, Taylor, and Fenelus to force turnover or two and negative plays against an offense that passes frequently.
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Re: GameThread: Toons @ Denards 

Post#503 » by crkone » Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:17 pm

Boise State has a decent game this weekend too. Two great college QBs and two great D-lines. Boise St has better WRs and an accurate QB but Nevada has a pretty good RB and and good running QB. Boise St has a better LB core and DBs.

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Re: GameThread: Toons @ Denards 

Post#504 » by xTitan » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:49 am

I would actually pick Boise over UW, think I would go with the Badgers over TCU.
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Post#505 » by El Duderino » Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:16 am

Bernman wrote:Both Wisconsin and Boise State run versions of pro style offenses.

Boise State's reminds me of the Packers' before Grant was sidelined.

Ours is akin to the Denver's when they won the two Super Bowls. Just like people knew Terrell Davis was going to run and couldn't stop it, it's a very similar situation with the Badgers and any running back they employ. Plus, they both had pretty good quarterbacks who can beat you in PA if the box is stacked.

Wisconsin's offense is better than Boise State's, even though they score less points per game. The points per possession category is actually an advantage to the Badgers, and turnover percentage is a discernible advantage as well. That's without even factoring in the different competition levels.

I like the Badgers beating Boise State with their offensive advantage, how susceptible defensively BSU looked each time they played a major school this year (early, but all we have to go by), and the Badgers' having enough playmakers on the D like Watt, Taylor, and Fenelus to force turnover or two and negative plays against an offense that passes frequently.


With as accurate as Tolzien is and now that this year he's generally avoided those killer interceptions, i really can't envision any defense really clamping down on the Badgers offense. I think we'd be able to score quite a few points on Boise, but their offense is legit explosive also.

I'd expect a pretty high scoring game in at least the 55-60 points combined range, the winner being decided largely by turnovers and/or any big plays on special teams.
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Re: GameThread: Toons @ Denards 

Post#506 » by El Duderino » Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:35 am

xTitan wrote:I would actually pick Boise over UW, think I would go with the Badgers over TCU.


I don't know what to make of TCU and partially because i've yet to see them play. They have these fabulous defensive stats, but it's largely been built while playing a weak schedule. I don't doubt that their defense is good, but we'll never know what kind of stats their defense would have if they played a Big Ten or SEC schedule.

While obviously where the Badgers end up bowl wise is priority number one for me, if Auburn/Oregon play in the National Championship Game, the thing i want to see avoided is Boise St/TCU playing each other. I want to see each team having to face a Wisconsin, LSU, or Ohio St. type of team. Not because i feel Boise St/TCU won't be able to compete well in bowl games against the bigger schools, it's just more intriguing as a football fan when they play the bigger schools.
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Re: GameThread: Toons @ Denards 

Post#507 » by MikeIsGood » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:41 pm

El Duderino wrote:While obviously where the Badgers end up bowl wise is priority number one for me, if Auburn/Oregon play in the National Championship Game, the thing i want to see avoided is Boise St/TCU playing each other.


If Oregon and Auburn play in the MNC, TCU and Boise State couldn't play each other even if the entire world wanted it. The one ranked highest would be locked-in to playing the B10 champ in the Rose Bowl.

Like chuckles, I don't think it will come down to that. I think Auburn is going to drop a game, BSU will playing Oregon in the MNC, and the Rose Bowl will choose to honor the B10/P10 matchup and put Stanford in against the B10 winner, which I think will be us.

Just a personal prediction.
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Re: GameThread: Toons @ Denards 

Post#508 » by xTitan » Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:16 pm

MikeIsGood wrote:
El Duderino wrote:While obviously where the Badgers end up bowl wise is priority number one for me, if Auburn/Oregon play in the National Championship Game, the thing i want to see avoided is Boise St/TCU playing each other.


If Oregon and Auburn play in the MNC, TCU and Boise State couldn't play each other even if the entire world wanted it. The one ranked highest would be locked-in to playing the B10 champ in the Rose Bowl.

Like chuckles, I don't think it will come down to that. I think Auburn is going to drop a game, BSU will playing Oregon in the MNC, and the Rose Bowl will choose to honor the B10/P10 matchup and put Stanford in against the B10 winner, which I think will be us.

Just a personal prediction.


As long as Oregon is in the national championship game I believe the Rose bowl must pick the next highest rated BCS team regardless......which would most likely be Auburn or TCU.
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Re: GameThread: Toons @ Denards 

Post#509 » by chuckleslove » Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:20 pm

No, the rule is they have to take the highest non AQ school if they lose the Big 10 or Pac 10 champion to the national championship unless a non AQ school is in the national championship.

They have to do this the first time it occurs in this current BCS cycle which is 2010-2013.

They don't have to take a school from another BCS conference.
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Re: GameThread: Toons @ Denards 

Post#510 » by Bernman » Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:07 pm

crkone wrote:Boise State has a decent game this weekend too. Two great college QBs and two great D-lines. Boise St has better WRs and an accurate QB but Nevada has a pretty good RB and and good running QB. Boise St has a better LB core and DBs.


Ah, Colin Kaepernick. He was born in Wisconsin and lived here when he was very young. His adoptive parents are from here. There was mutual interest between the two parties as a result, but we were slow playing him, didn't offer until he committed to Nevada, and ended up settling on Tolzien. In the end I'd say it worked out fine for both parties. But I think Kaepernick would have been an upgrade over Tolzien. Projected 22-7 TD/INT ratio, to 13/7 (against admittedly lesser comp). But he's a much better rusher regardless of comp, seeing as though he's about to eclipse 1,000 yards for the 3rd straight year. Plus, he's got a better arm to convert on 3rd and longs. Another guy you can ask what if about. But you can't win them all I suppose.

El Duderino wrote:I don't know what to make of TCU and partially because i've yet to see them play. They have these fabulous defensive stats, but it's largely been built while playing a weak schedule. I don't doubt that their defense is good, but we'll never know what kind of stats their defense would have if they played a Big Ten or SEC schedule.

While obviously where the Badgers end up bowl wise is priority number one for me, if Auburn/Oregon play in the National Championship Game, the thing i want to see avoided is Boise St/TCU playing each other. I want to see each team having to face a Wisconsin, LSU, or Ohio St. type of team. Not because i feel Boise St/TCU won't be able to compete well in bowl games against the bigger schools, it's just more intriguing as a football fan when they play the bigger schools.


TCU lost to Boise State last year after having gone undefeated. I would tend to think Boise State is the more legit of the "unprovens" given that, having by far the best win in Virginia Tech (even though it's not great), and beating Oregon State slightly more convincingly. TCU is probably semi frauds given who they've beaten.

I agree that I'd rather see both play major schools. The last couple of bowl games between each other still left doubt as to whether the winner was proven. All they did is beat another largely unproven school. That doesn't make you proven. Plus, it would be a David-David instead of David-Goliath storyline.

That said, I'd prefer the major school not be Wisconsin. We'd get more credit in the interim and long term for beating Stanford. The realistic best case scenario for me is Auburn dropping out of the race like their cheating asses should, BSU facing Oregon in the MNC, and us Stanford in the Rose.

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