Offical 2011 2nd Round Thread

[Newz]

Maybe I just hate RBs and am being haterish.

I think I hate RBs more than you... And I want to carry Grant, Starks, Green, Kuhn and Johnson.

If Starks gets through this year healthy and Green proves that he is a player... Then Grant comes off of the books and we just don't bring him back. Then I would be more confident going into the next year with just Starks and Green.

But trusting a third round pick and a guy who hadn't played football in almost two years until the second half of last season... and a full back?

That seems a little crazy.

[Bucksfans1and2]

45 guys active on game day.

2 QBs
8 Olineman
6 Dlineman
8 Linebackers
7 DBs
3 STers

That's 34 players.

From there you've got 11 for WR, TE, RB, FB

4 WRs (Jennings-Nelson-Driver-Cobb)
3 TEs (Finley-Quarless-Crabtree)

[Newz]

If it came down to it I'd rather carry Grant, Starks and Green (if Green even proves to be good enough to be active every week)... Then just pick one of Crabtree or Johnson to be on the 45. They are somewhat redundant anyways.

I'd probably active Crabs over Johnson.

Or just only active 7 O-linemen. I think we often do that since TJ Lang is so versatile.

[Bucksfans1and2]

If it came down to it I'd rather carry Grant, Starks and Green (if Green even proves to be good enough to be active every week)... Then just pick one of Crabtree or Johnson to be on the 45. They are somewhat redundant anyways.

I'd probably active Crabs over Johnson.

Or just only active 7 O-linemen. I think we often do that since TJ Lang is so versatile.

I see what you're saying but I'd keep Johnson active over Crabtree

Given that solution I would have no issue with keeping Grant.

[Newz]

I like Crabtree because I think he is almost as good of a blocker, but is better catching the ball. Plus if I recall he is a better special teamer.

But yeah, either way...

[Bucksfans1and2]

I like Crabtree because I think he is almost as good of a blocker, but is better catching the ball. Plus if I recall he is a better special teamer.

But yeah, either way...

I like Johnson because I think he was the better special teamer and his run blocking is better enough that it makes up for the lack of the added dimension.

At a certain point when you're debating the 45th man on the active roster neither of us have enough info to say either way.

[El Duderino]

Starks played like half a season and has injury concerns of his own. Nance showed nothing, and despite his best efforts last season, Kuhn is not a RB. Green just got picked 30 min. ago and you're already penciling him in to replace Grant? What am I missing here?

I'm not a Grant fan,and I think he's done.

I also only want 2 RBs on the 45. 3 on the 53.

Why would he be done?

He'll only be 29 in December and unlike some backs who are all beat up by the time they are 30, Grant only has 790 carries in his career. Hell, Chris Johnson for example is three years younger and yet he 135 more carries on his body. Jones-Drew is also three years younger and has almost 400 more carries on his body.

There is zero reason to believe that Grant is nearly shot and thus a waste of a roster spot because of his age.

[Bucksfans1and2]

Starks played like half a season and has injury concerns of his own. Nance showed nothing, and despite his best efforts last season, Kuhn is not a RB. Green just got picked 30 min. ago and you're already penciling him in to replace Grant? What am I missing here?

I'm not a Grant fan,and I think he's done.

I also only want 2 RBs on the 45. 3 on the 53.

Why would he be done?

He'll only be 29 in December and unlike some backs who are all beat up by the time they are 30, Grant only has 790 carries in his career. Hell, Chris Johnson for example is three years younger and yet he 135 more carries on his body. Jones-Drew is also three years younger and has almost 400 more carries on his body.

There is zero reason to believe that Grant is nearly shot and thus a waste of a roster spot because of his age.

I said I'd keep him. but he's already been out for a year with a lowerbody injury. I also have a hard time thinking of a 30 year old RB that wasn't an all pro earlier in their careers.

[El Duderino]

If it came down to it I'd rather carry Grant, Starks and Green (if Green even proves to be good enough to be active every week)... Then just pick one of Crabtree or Johnson to be on the 45. They are somewhat redundant anyways.

I'd probably active Crabs over Johnson.

Or just only active 7 O-linemen. I think we often do that since TJ Lang is so versatile.

Yea, hopefully McCarthy is done with carrying three fullbacks on the roster and given Green has size, he should be able to cover kicks on days he's active. Kuhn and Johnson are enough at fullback.

As for Green getting snaps from the line of scrimmage to where he gets carried on the 45 man active roster on game days, that obviously will be decided by how he performs in camp and preseason games. My guess is early in the year at least he'll spend games on the inactive list, but hopefully in time he gets some role in the offense. Hopefully Starks also plays well so that come the following year, Grant can be let go and Starks/Green are a productive and young duo going forward.

One thing for sure though, unlike last year with the abomination of Jackson/Kuhn at RB, there will be plenty of competition for snaps if Green shows promise right away.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

I like Crabtree because I think he is almost as good of a blocker, but is better catching the ball. Plus if I recall he is a better special teamer.

But yeah, either way...

I like Johnson because I think he was the better special teamer and his run blocking is better enough that it makes up for the lack of the added dimension.

At a certain point when you're debating the 45th man on the active roster neither of us have enough info to say either way.

Johnson gets the nod so we can utilize the Elephant package.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

Hella typos, but here is a summary of TT's press conference:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/12 ... witterfeed

Green Bay -General manager Ted Thompson said he's very happy with his top three picks but feels there's a lot of work left Saturday.

Here are the highlights of his press conference after the Alex Green pick.

On the draft as a whole: "We felt pretty good that those guys were there when we picked."
On what he likes about Randall Cobb: "He's very good, great hands. He was the holder on their team. That gives you an idea what kind of hands he has. He's a very versatile player.He's done a lot of different things with Kentucky. He was kind of Kent ucky's offense the last couple of years. We feel fortunate to have him."
On if Cobb reminds him of anyone: - "He's an all-around player. Coaches can't say enough about him. He is a legitmate receiver. He's also very good with the ball in his hands."
On if Cobb is a slot receiver: "He certainly would be a candidate to play in the slot. He's probably like the rest of our guys and will play all over."
On how far he has to go as a receiver: I don't think he's very far behind."
On RB Alex Green: "He can do just about everything. He's a big back, runs and catches. He played in a spread offense. We saw him at the East-West game. He as clearly the class of the group. Actually I saw him at his pro day out in California. He's an impressive physical specimen."
On whether he expects those players to contribute this year: "Certainly we hope they all pitch in. How much they play or start will e determined during the course of spring or training camp or whenever we get this thing going. We learned the hard way last year."
On picking three players on offense: "It's just the way it worked out."
On how the lockout will affect you: "No more than all the other teams in the league. Nobody is happy about this."
On if Hawaii ran much: "They did this year because they had him. He was a big horse. he's impressive player. He ran from the spread. The things we do will be different. lHe's comfortable out in space."
On how he catches the ball: "He's flexible. He can adjust to the ball. I was fortunate to be at his pro day and really see him. He catches the ball easy. He doesn't fight it. I'm not saying he's Edgar Bennett, but he's pretty good."
On his fumbling issues in college: "It's something we care about. He had a lot of touches. He readily admits the fumbles he had he has to fix."
On his plans for Saturday: "I think there are good players throughout tomorrow. There will be some anxious momentswere we hope that guys get to us. We do like we always do, which is pick the player with the best value."
On Green's lower stats his junior year: "He's a junior college transfer. I don/t know where he was in the pecking order. He was the man this year."
On whether Green can play behind a fulback: "He did in the East-West game. He did fine. It's not a major transition. He ran in the single back, he did that."
On whehter Cobb's ability to play in the Wildcat influenced his decision: "No. I'm not saying what we will or won't do. I think what we admire about kid is that he has this versatility. He can play every spot imaginable. He understands routes and space."

[Ayt]

Starks played like half a season and has injury concerns of his own. Nance showed nothing, and despite his best efforts last season, Kuhn is not a RB. Green just got picked 30 min. ago and you're already penciling him in to replace Grant? What am I missing here?

I'm not a Grant fan,and I think he's done.

I also only want 2 RBs on the 45. 3 on the 53.

Why would he be done?

He'll only be 29 in December and unlike some backs who are all beat up by the time they are 30, Grant only has 790 carries in his career. Hell, Chris Johnson for example is three years younger and yet he 135 more carries on his body. Jones-Drew is also three years younger and has almost 400 more carries on his body.

There is zero reason to believe that Grant is nearly shot and thus a waste of a roster spot because of his age.

This.

I actually expect Grant to be at his best. His first year in GB he had an explosiveness at the second level (he was basically the top RB in the NFL when it came to carries over 20+ yards. AP had more, but Grant had the most per carry). We haven't seen that since that year. I expect it to be back this year.

He's far from done, IMO. Of course, for an NFL RB that only means two years as as full time starter, but I still see him that way. I think we still have two very productive years left in Grant. After that, we may decide to dump him.

I think a lot of people should go back and watch some YouTube video of Grant from 2009. The dude runs extremely hard both between the tackles and off tackle. Yes, we won the SB without him, but going back and watching him run compared to what we ad makes you realize how much easier it might have been. The guy can run within the 10 yard box. He's far from perfect, but the guy is damned valuable.