Roster Forecast - Post Draft

[ReasonablySober]

I guess I don't understand why that makes him a better player than Greg Jennings or any of the TEs I listed though. Nor do I see why it makes him 'easily' better than them, which is where the whole debate spawned from to begin with.

I think you somehow missed what I think was made very clear.

No one as of yet has said that Finley is better than Gates or Davis. I'd take him over both going forward, but that's also taking age and upside into account.

The argument that you seem to be getting wrong seems to stem from Luke's statement:

Finley, FOR A TIGHT END, is more dominant than Jennings is as a WR. How can that honestly be debated rationally? It's ridiculous.

You yourself have said that Jennings is a top 5-7 WR, while Finley is a top 3-5 TE. That's exactly what Luke said. Relative to position (hence the FOR A TIGHT END), Finley is more dominant.

Also,

Is Finley an amazing talent? Yeah. He is the most physically gifted player at his position in the league.

So is it that hard to see why some of us would rather have the guy who just turned 24 and is the most physically gifted player at his position?

[Newz]

You can try to turn the debate into 'upside' and who you would take for the future all you want. I'd take Davis first and Finley second going forward (only because Davis has been able to stay on the field).

You can also try to throw that "FOR A TIGHT END" thing at me all you want. The thing that I disagreed with and have said countless times in this thread is he said that Finley is "EASILY!" (EASILY) better than Greg Jennings. In what universe is the top 3-5 TE in football EASILY better than the top 5-7 WR in the NFL?

Is it that hard to see why some of us would rather have the guy who has proven he can put up 1200/12 as the number one option on a team that just won the Super Bowl? Has been able to stay on the field and be healthy. Has put up 3+ 1,000 yard season and another 920 yard year that was accompanied by 12 TDs?

[LUKE23]

You yourself have said that Jennings is a top 5-7 WR, while Finley is a top 3-5 TE. That's exactly what Luke said. Relative to position (hence the FOR A TIGHT END), Finley is more dominant.

Yep again.

[Newz]

You yourself have said that Jennings is a top 5-7 WR, while Finley is a top 3-5 TE. That's exactly what Luke said. Relative to position (hence the FOR A TIGHT END), Finley is more dominant.

Yep again.

In what universe is the top 3-5 TE in football EASILY better than the top 5-7 WR in the NFL?

Jason Witten is the 4th best TE in football. Roddy White is the 5th best WR in football.

Jason Witten EASILY better than Roddy White.

Does anyone else not see why I thought the Finley is EASILY better statement was ridiculous? Can anyone else not see why this logic is also ridiculous?

[LUKE23]

You still don't understand what I'm saying or what the original argument was. But I'm not going to waste any more time going through it. It's like slamming my head against brick wall intentionally. You can get the last word in, since that appears to be your goal. Make sure to lay it on thick with hyperbole.

[Newz]

You still don't understand what I'm saying or what the original argument was. But I'm not going to waste any more time going through it. It's like slamming my head against brick wall intentionally. You can get the last word in, since that appears to be your goal. Make sure to lay it on thick with hyperbole.

The original argument was that you said Finley was easily better than Greg Jennings... Which isn't true.

[RiotPunch]

From where I'm standing, comparing Finley and Jennings production-wise is not debatable, clearly. Jennings succeeds at the level he does because of his killer drive and his uncanny ability to find holes in the defense/make people miss. Finley is the more difficult guy to defend, given his freakish size, speed, etc.

Jennings is the better player from a production standpoint right now, but Finley's ceiling is miles higher because of his God-given abilities. Bottom line, extend them both.

[Newz]

From where I'm standing, comparing Finley and Jennings production-wise is not debatable, clearly. Jennings succeeds at the level he does because of his killer drive and his uncanny ability to find holes in the defense/make people miss. Finley is the more difficult guy to defend, given his freakish size, speed, etc.

Jennings is the better player from a production standpoint right now, but Finley's ceiling is miles higher because of his God-given abilities. Bottom line, extend them both.

Common sense FTW.

[RiotPunch]

It really is just common sense. There should be no debate here. DB & Newbz = arguing for the sake of arguing.

[Ayt]

Who do you guys think DCs spend more time gameplanning for when both are healthy? I think it was obviously Finley this past season until he got hurt. Will that change next year?

[El Duderino]

Who do you guys think DCs spend more time gameplanning for when both are healthy? I think it was obviously Finley this past season until he got hurt. Will that change next year?

I can't believe those three actually spent this much time arguing whether Finley or Jennings is better. Ten plus pages. That said, if Finley is healthy and i'm a DC, i'd view Finley as a bigger problem/threat.

If a defense has a quality corner, they can at least feel reasonably confident that Jennings can be contained. Finley though is such a unique talent with his size, speed, and fluidity that very few players in the league will be able to cover him well. He's to big for every corner in the league. He's to fast and fluid for pretty much all linebackers. A very athletic safety with some size would probably be the best option to try and cover Finley, but there aren't many like that and often safeties have to be play back in a defensive scheme.

Jennings certainly has more production on his resume. If though say i could turn them both back to being rookies, knowing what we know of them as pros, and both were available to my team, but i could only have one of them, i'd take Finley in a close call.

[paulpressey25]

I'm with Newz and Midranger on this. I relate better in terms of NBA players. I think of Finley as Zach Randolph (you know he's got the goods, but will they be delivered?). Jennings seems more like Paul Pierce to me. He's not going to go LeBron on you, but at the end of ten years, you'll have a ton of consistent success.

Just imagine though if we could have these player fights over on the Bucks board. Instead we are unfortunately left debating the football equivalent of whether John Kuhn can step up and be that 1,200 yard rusher our offense desperately needs since we've got no one else.

[bucks59]

If the roles were reversed, and Jennings was hurt all season while Finely was healthy all season, do people think the Packers offense is better or worse?

I also think a better analogy is that Finely is like Blake Griffin last year. He showed flashes of dominance but it was unclear if he could stay healthy and maintain that performance over the course of a season. Jennings is more like Paul PIerce, a solid contributer but has a lower ceiling to an extent.

[Balls2TheWalls]

I am not really on either side in the argument, but I think that comparing basketball to football is not effective on almost any level. One player is capable of taking over a game in basketball, but the success of either of these players is really dependent on each other, and on the 5 men blocking for the 1 hall of fame quality player on the offense.

On the bright side, both of these players ARE on the same team.

[UWM_Brew_Buck]

Finley vs. Jennings debate >>>> Gooden vs. Magettee debate

[jimmybones]

On the bright side, both of these players ARE on the same team.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

Finley vs. Jennings debate >>>> Gooden vs. Magettee debate

Definitely true.

[Pick and TRoll]

So not to reignite the epic Jennings v. Finley debate and completely ruin any chance of discussing the other 51 roster spots, but I've had a question lingering about Finley in the back of my mind for a while and this seemed an appropriate place to ask it.

This may have come out during the playoffs, so you'll have to forgive me if it got lost in the background, but wasn't the last thing we heard about Finley that he had some sort of blood infection/toxicity issue that could possibly have long-term reprecussions? I'm beginning to think I imagined the entire thing since if there was any threat that he doesn't come back the same guy that this board would be all over it, but I swear I read something and thought that there was a real fear that he might not ever be as strong/fast/whatever. Does anyone remember this or am I crazy?

[emunney]

Finley had a staph infection. They never said it was MRSA, which is good, but either way, he seems to have recovered from it and the 2nd operation it required.

[[RCG]]

1. Rodgers
2. Flynn

3. Grant
4. Starks
5 .Green

6. Johnson
7. Williams

8. Finley
9. Quarless
10 .Crabtree

11. Clifton
12. Tauscher
13. Bulaga
14. Sherrod
15. Lang
16. Sitton
17. Wells
18. Newhouse
19. Spitz

20. Jennings
21. Driver
22. Nelson
23. Cobb
24. Swain

25. Raji
26. Pickett
27. Wilson
28. Neal
29. Guy

30. Matthews
31. Zombo
32. Walden
33. Jones
34. Elmore

35. Hawk
36. Bishop
37. Chillar
38. Poppinga

39. Woodson
40. Williams
41. Shields
42. House
43. Lee
44. Bush

45. Collins
46. Burnett
47. Peprah

48. Crosby
49. Masthay
50. Goode

Add-in:
51. Jenkins (or 3-4 DE)
52. Kuhn
53. Graham Harrell, Jones (or WR), Barnett (or ILB)