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Post#21 » by eagle13 » Wed Sep 5, 2012 9:21 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:My concern is that if you look at the Super Bowl winning team from 20-months prior, we've lost the following:

Cullen Jenkins, Nick Collins, Desmond Bishop, Chad Clifton, Scott Wells.

I don't really feel like we've replaced any of them, albeit Jeff Saturday theoretically is a wash but he's a lot older. For me it still comes back to whether the O-line can protect Rodgers and the front 7 can apply significant pass rush. Plausible it all comes together and young guys step up. I just don't feel confident in either of those things at the moment. At least 4-5 guys from the 2011 and 2012 draft class need to make the leap here.

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Re: 2012 NFL Predictions Thread 

Post#22 » by rilamann » Wed Sep 5, 2012 9:24 pm

Barring injuries I don't see how this Packer team would only finish 10-6.

In my opinion the offense could be even better this year.You have Rodgers just entering the prime of his career with the best group of receivers in the league and you have a running game that should be improved from last season.

Saturday is old but still very solid and brings big game experience with him and the rest of the line is fairly young and still improving.


And what if Finley finally lives up to his potential?

And the D will be improved from last season,to what extent we will see but it has to be improve,not to sound cliche but it can't get any worse.
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Post#23 » by paulpressey25 » Wed Sep 5, 2012 10:10 pm

trwi7 wrote:You're concerned because they lost Cullen Jenkins (went 15-1 without him last year), Nick Collins (played from week 3 on without him last year), Chad Clifton (old, hurt and mediocre at best last year) and Scott Wells (replaced with Saturday).


I'm talking about how those guys played in 2010 not 2011.

I realize the team went 15-1 last year. I also realize that pretty much everyone on here didn't feel like that was a 15-1 team based on how porous the defense was and that they got a lot of breaks in the first half of the year.

The wheels aren't going to fall off since the team has too much talent for that to happen. But again, I'm grading based on standards of a Super Bowl winner versus a #4-6 seed. I need to see the O-line and the front 7 on the D show up before I feel like this is a Super Bowl caliber team.
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Post#24 » by Ayt » Thu Sep 6, 2012 12:59 am

So you are actually in "wait and see mode" on whether this is a SB caliber team? That is incredible.
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Post#25 » by BUCKnation » Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:41 am

rilamann wrote:Barring injuries I don't see how this Packer team would only finish 10-6.


Agreed, I see about 7 or 8 games we should win.
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Re: 2012 NFL Predictions Thread 

Post#26 » by El Duderino » Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:44 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
trwi7 wrote:You're concerned because they lost Cullen Jenkins (went 15-1 without him last year), Nick Collins (played from week 3 on without him last year), Chad Clifton (old, hurt and mediocre at best last year) and Scott Wells (replaced with Saturday).


I'm talking about how those guys played in 2010 not 2011.

I realize the team went 15-1 last year. I also realize that pretty much everyone on here didn't feel like that was a 15-1 team based on how porous the defense was and that they got a lot of breaks in the first half of the year.

The wheels aren't going to fall off since the team has too much talent for that to happen. But again, I'm grading based on standards of a Super Bowl winner versus a #4-6 seed. I need to see the O-line and the front 7 on the D show up before I feel like this is a Super Bowl caliber team.


Clearly the OL looks to have a real lack of depth and the defense is a big question mark as to just how they'll end up performing.

That said, among the other teams with at least a decent shot of reaching the Super Bowl, which of them don't also have weaknesses and question marks? They all do, nobody is say the early 90's dominant Cowboys and clear favorite to win it all.

I wouldn't bet a lot of money taking the Packers right now against the whole field of teams to win the Super Bowl unless i was really well off financially, but i see no reason that they shouldn't be among the top 2-3 favorites. Nobody in the league is clearly better.
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Post#27 » by eagle13 » Thu Sep 6, 2012 1:54 am

Going into this season it seems there is more parity and more teams than ever with a credible shot at the SB.
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Post#28 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Sep 7, 2012 12:40 am

Not gonna lie, didn't expect this one from ESPN's KC Joyner. The URL contains "why", "Packers", "Defense" and "ELITE".

After last season's debacle that saw the Green Bay Packers' defense tie for last in the league in yards per play allowed on its way to giving up the second-most yards in a season in NFL history (and the most passing yards ever), it's easy to forget just how dominant this defense was in 2010.

That season, Green Bay tied for sixth in yards per play allowed (5.1), fifth in overall yards allowed (4,945) and second in points allowed (240). That platoon gave up 17 points or less in nine of Green Bay's last 13 games and was therefore just as, or maybe even more, responsible as the offense for the team's eventual Super Bowl title run.

If the Packers could find a way to combine the overwhelming strength of their offense with a return to the shutdown defense the team displayed two seasons ago, they could truly be on the verge of establishing the next NFL dynasty.

That is bad news for the rest of the league, because there are at least five reasons to think the Green Bay defense is going to see a return to something close to its 2010 form this season.

An elite ability to force opposing quarterbacks to make mistakes

Defensive coordinator Dom Capers builds game plans predicated on getting opposing quarterbacks to commit errors, and his defense was better than any other in the NFL at doing that last season.

The Packers tallied a 4.5 percent mark in the forced bad decision rate (BDR) category last season. That metric gauges how often a quarterback commits a mental error that leads to a turnover opportunity for the defense, and no team had a higher BDR than Green Bay (only one other team had a rate of 4.0 percent or higher).

To get a better idea of just how good this defense is at forcing errors, consider that the Packers were able to post a 3.3 percent BDR on short passes last season (short passes being aerials thrown 10 or fewer yards downfield). Those are the safest throws an offense can make and Green Bay was still able to force errors on one of every 30 of those passes. No other team in the league was even able to reach the 3.0 percent mark here.

Superb ballhawking talent

It's one thing to force opponents into mistakes. It's quite another to capitalize on those mistakes.

Green Bay's high forced BDR shows they excelled at the former and their league-leading 16 interceptions off bad decisions shows they excelled at the latter as well.

Those picks were a huge contributing factor to the Pack notching 31 interceptions last season, by far the highest mark in the NFL.

These first two factors bode well for the Packers' ability to once again be one of the most dynamic, turnover-inducing defenses in the league.

The emergence of Casey Hayward

Hayward may not have been the highest-rated cornerback in last year's draft, but in some ways he may have been the most impactful.

Evidence for this can be found in the two games against the toughest passing offenses Hayward's Vanderbilt Commodores squad faced last year (the Georgia Bulldogs and Arkansas Razorbacks).

Hayward was targeted 14 times in those contests and had one interception and six passes defensed. He also nearly picked off three of the passes that he defensed, so in reality Hayward had an interception chance on four of those 14 throws, an incredibly high rate.

Hayward also made an impression on ESPN NFL analyst Herm Edwards with his understanding of offensive patterns, intelligence and ballhawking instincts and he has shown solid open-field interception return abilities (check out this 50-yard touchdown return against Connecticut last year).

All of those skills have been on display during the preseason to an extent that at one point early on it was thought possible that he could become just the eighth rookie cornerback to start for Green Bay in more than 50 years. Hayward didn't end up winning a starting job but it does go to show just how much he could improve this secondary.

An underrated run defense

The Packers didn't fare well in a number of rushing statistical categories last season (their 4.7 yards per carry allowed ranked 26th), but this group actually performed better than some its stats indicate.

One reason is the Packers posted a 7.1-yard mark in the good blocking yards per attempt (GBYPA) allowed category. GBYPA measures how productive a ballcarrier is when given good blocking (which is very loosely defined as when the offense does not allow the defense to do anything to disrupt the rush attempt) and that mark tied for eighth in the league.

To be fair, teams did get good blocking against the Pack 47.3 percent of the time, a total that tied for eighth-worst. On the plus side, that just goes to show that even when opponents are able to get creases in the Green Bay run defense, the Packers are apt at keeping the long gains to a minimum, something evidenced by the fact they gave up only nine rushes of 20-plus yards last season, a total that tied them with Pittsburgh for eighth in the league in that metric.

The pass rush will be improved

It's hard to get worse than the 4.4 percent sack rate that ranked Green Bay dead last in that category, but it should be noted that the Packers will face teams that gave up a combined 659 sacks last season. That is the ninth-highest total this season and thus bodes well for an improvement from a matchup perspective.

Green Bay should also benefit in this area from a personnel perspective with the additions of pass-rusher Nick Perry and defensive tackle Jerel Worthy, both of whom were all-conference players in college last year. They won't be able to solve this issue by themselves but should give Capers even more weapons with which to attack the opposing pass pocket.

While it's possible that any one of these elements might not be as impactful as expected, the volume of positives is overwhelming and should give Green Bay a top 10-caliber defense this season. Put that together with an Aaron Rodgers-led offense and an improved running game with the addition of Cedric Benson, and it shows why the Packers are considered the No. 1 team in the ESPN Power Rankings and the favored pick by many ESPN experts to win Super Bowl XLVII.


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Re: 2012 NFL Predictions Thread 

Post#29 » by ReddRum » Fri Sep 7, 2012 5:38 pm

14-2 with the only 2 losses coming in weeks 11 and 15 vs. the Lions and Bears. Superb Owl Champs after we beat the Eagles in the NFC Championship and then defeat the Broncos in the Super Bowl 31-17. Book it!
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