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Re: PG: Week 7 - Over .500 at 4-3 (5-2) 

Post#41 » by chuckleslove » Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:29 pm

Bernman wrote:I don't know if Starks is the same player or still hindered by injury, but it would behoove us to give him some meaningful carries to see if he can still help the team in that department.



MM seems to disagree and I trust his judgment at least a million times more than anyone on this forum.
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Re: PG: Week 7 - Over .500 at 4-3 (5-2) 

Post#42 » by Godgers » Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:30 pm

A few articles have poped up on why the Packers need to build a dome. Its what I have been thinking for years.

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Re: PG: Week 7 - Over .500 at 4-3 (5-2) 

Post#43 » by Bernman » Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:32 pm

chuckleslove wrote:
Bernman wrote:I don't know if Starks is the same player or still hindered by injury, but it would behoove us to give him some meaningful carries to see if he can still help the team in that department.



MM seems to disagree and I trust his judgment at least a million times more than anyone on this forum.


That's foolish to say the least. How long was Dez Bishop stuck on the bench when fans were calling for him?
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Re: PG: Week 7 - Over .500 at 4-3 (5-2) 

Post#44 » by Bernman » Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:39 pm

emunney wrote:PFF on Hayward:

I could tell you again how good Rodgers was, but in truth the raw numbers for once do justice to the performance, so instead I want to point to rookie CB Casey Hayward (+2.0), who was thrust into the starting role by an injury to Sam Shields. Hayward has been the most impressive rookie corner I have seen so far this season, and a full-time workload didn’t produce any major drop-off in performance.

He was an ever-present in the defense, playing all 63 snaps, and he was thrown at plenty in the game. He saw 10 passes come his way, and though he gave up 91 yards, he allowed just four receptions, and 56 of those yards came on a bubble screen to Chris Givens where the Rams were able to get an offensive lineman out into the flats to cut Hayward off from the play. He also earned himself interception with a piece of textbook coverage down the left sideline. The ball from Sam Bradford was underthrown, but Hayward was in perfect position the entire time and made a good adjustment to stop and high-point the football.


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That draft is on pace to be one of TT's best talent-wise, in spite of picking near the ends of rounds and selecting blatantly on need.
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Re: PG: Week 7 - Over .500 at 4-3 (5-2) 

Post#45 » by Godgers » Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:44 pm

Hayward is a stud. He is a playmaker. I think hes TTs best pick in the draft this year.
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Re: PG: Week 7 - Over .500 at 4-3 (5-2) 

Post#46 » by chuckleslove » Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:16 pm

Bernman wrote:
chuckleslove wrote:
Bernman wrote:I don't know if Starks is the same player or still hindered by injury, but it would behoove us to give him some meaningful carries to see if he can still help the team in that department.



MM seems to disagree and I trust his judgment at least a million times more than anyone on this forum.


That's foolish to say the least. How long was Dez Bishop stuck on the bench when fans were calling for him?



And how many other times have fans called for bench players to play over the starters only to see those guys do absolutely nothing in their career? I would say Bishop is the outlier more than proving fans know more than MM, TT or the rest of the coaching staff.
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Re: PG: Week 7 - Over .500 at 4-3 (5-2) 

Post#47 » by emunney » Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:22 pm

Bernman wrote:
chuckleslove wrote:
Bernman wrote:I don't know if Starks is the same player or still hindered by injury, but it would behoove us to give him some meaningful carries to see if he can still help the team in that department.



MM seems to disagree and I trust his judgment at least a million times more than anyone on this forum.


That's foolish to say the least. How long was Dez Bishop stuck on the bench when fans were calling for him?


It's 'foolish to say the least' to trust the coach of the team over somebody who hasn't seen Starks in action since August 9th, when he was terrible? MM could certainly be wrong and has been in the past, nobody's perfect, but the smart money should be on him over you or any of us every single time.
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Re: PG: Week 7 - Over .500 at 4-3 (5-2) 

Post#48 » by Bernman » Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:40 pm

emunney wrote:It's 'foolish to say the least' to trust the coach of the team over somebody who hasn't seen Starks in action since August 9th, when he was terrible? MM could certainly be wrong and has been in the past, nobody's perfect, but the smart money should be on him over you or any of us every single time.


It's foolish to say the least to trust the coach of a team, who you acknowledged is wrong sometimes, "at least a million times more" than any other poster on here, on any issue, regardless of what evidence says.

What would the risk be of a carry here or there for a more or less proven back you say is healthy enough to play when the unproven back has struggled through 3 games? It's a low-risk high-reward scenario at this point. MM certainly isn't over a million times more likely to be right about the decision.
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Re: PG: Week 7 - Over .500 at 4-3 (5-2) 

Post#49 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:07 pm

Bern, you think that Starks getting a few first downs on 2nd and 1 while averaging 2.8 yards per carry is a major reason we won the Atlanta game? And that it's the reason you have more of a mind than MM on this?

Pretty sure Alex Green would do fine running on 2nd and 1. That win was 99% Rodgers and the receivers offensively.

I also like how you omitted the number of TD passes when you described the two games.
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Re: PG: Week 7 - Over .500 at 4-3 (5-2) 

Post#50 » by emunney » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:45 pm

Bernman wrote:
emunney wrote:It's 'foolish to say the least' to trust the coach of the team over somebody who hasn't seen Starks in action since August 9th, when he was terrible? MM could certainly be wrong and has been in the past, nobody's perfect, but the smart money should be on him over you or any of us every single time.


It's foolish to say the least to trust the coach of a team, who you acknowledged is wrong sometimes, "at least a million times more" than any other poster on here, on any issue, regardless of what evidence says.

What would the risk be of a carry here or there for a more or less proven back you say is healthy enough to play when the unproven back has struggled through 3 games? It's a low-risk high-reward scenario at this point. MM certainly isn't over a million times more likely to be right about the decision.


First off, they don't perceive him as struggling through three games. He broke a big run in Indy to set up a TD and they couldn't stop talking about how happy they were with him after the Texans game.

A guy can be healthy enough to play and not be worth playing if you're trying to cultivate rhythm and continuity in your offense. If he hasn't been good enough in practice to warrant carries (which he did get in the Houston game to the tune of a blistering 2.2 ypc), then there's no high-reward part of the equation. And messing with continuity in a high-octane offense that is finally playing with some cohesion, and which you fully depend on for success, doesn't sound like low-risk to me.
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