Game 8: Jags at Pack

[El Duderino]

Thanks for helping my case that Starks should play more this year. Last year McCarthy didn't have an accurate gauge either of Starks' value to the offense, running AND passing game. It sounds like Aaron knows though. He should pass that information along to Mike.

Also, thanks for keeping this topic alive. Maybe we can get this Starks' movement some attention before the big game this week. Zona is tied with us in the loss column for the 5th/6th wild card spots. Pack could knock them to 1.5 back, plus hold the tiebreaker if they win.

Pretty much nobody here is disagreeing with you about wanting to see Starks take carries from Green, so i don't know why you are implying otherwise. All people are disagreeing with you about is your trying to hard to tie the Packers great record in games Starks played to his presence in those games. Hell, the Packers have a great record in games Charlie Peprah started.

[El Duderino]

In the case of runningbacks it really doesn't matter.

I see little chance McCarthy would give a new back lots of snaps right away given how much we throw the ball and the back has to know all of the protection adjustments. Blown blitz pickups can get Rodgers nailed.

[ReasonablySober]

In the case of runningbacks it really doesn't matter.

I see little chance McCarthy would give a new back lots of snaps right away given how much we throw the ball and the back has to know all of the protection adjustments. Blown blitz pickups can get Rodgers nailed.

So put the guy in there that you know can handle the blitz. It isn't like opposing teams expected the Packers to hand the ball off to Brandon Jackson. Everyone knew what he was in there for.

[Kerb Hohl]

Yeah, Bern. I don't know if anyone disagrees that Starks when fully healthy is probably a better option. I'm just arguing the correlation of W/L which became a bit ridiculous...and I promise I'll stop talking about it soon.

[xTitan]

I find it funny that so many people would like to give up a decent draft pick for a RB who is clearly in decline (Jackson and/or Williams), when the problem is the blocking of the offensive line (Saturday being the worst) and TE's (finley was an abomination, others weren't good). My guess is if Ced Benson was healthy we wouldn't be hearing this talk, in reality Benson was only averaging 3.5 YPC, the biggest problem is the O-line, scheme, and TE's. I will also say that Green has been less than stellar as well.

As the beat writers have been saying for awhile now, every game Green has been outright missing obvious cutbacks that minimally would have resulted in 8-10+ yard gains... now, this wouldn't be such an issue if he was still getting 3-4 yds, but he misses the cut back and gets next to nothing. As I said earlier on this forum, what Green is doing when he misses these cuts is no different in impact to Finley's drops, yet Green gets nowhere near the ill will that Finley does for his mental errors.

At present, Green is far outclassed as an everydown back. Let him play the 3rd down role and work on developing the awareness necessary to be an everydown guy (*we do know he has a history of struggling with learning disabilities. At the time of the draft, Green professed that he was a visual learner... I'm not so certain it isn't more about him having a relative deficit in executive functioning/processing speed. When it is obvious what to do [i.e., make one guy in open space miss], he can do it. When a whole mess of information is coming to him, it seems obvious that he becomes overwhelmed). In any event, someone else needs to be getting the carries on 1st/2nd down.

You are simply lying with your first sentence, not every beat writer is saying Green has been outright missing cutback lanes, the common thread about those covering the team believes that it is mutual failures between the RB's and the OL, you also have to throw the TE's into the equation because there blocking is absolutely pathetic. Cedric Benson was averaging under four yards per carry as well. This offensive line is not built to be a tough run blocking crew, the simple truth is that Jeff Saturday is an incredibly weak link and your o-line is only as good as its weakest link. I also believe the scheme needs to be looked at, they do not seem to have a run blocking style, still have a little zone blocking to them, but far from a conventional zone blocking scheme. Perhaps it is time to find a new O-line coach because it is not common knowledge but Joe Philbin worked with the offensive line every week, even when he was the o-coordinator, his teaching has been greatly missed.

[Marley2Hendrix]

I find it funny that so many people would like to give up a decent draft pick for a RB who is clearly in decline (Jackson and/or Williams), when the problem is the blocking of the offensive line (Saturday being the worst) and TE's (finley was an abomination, others weren't good). My guess is if Ced Benson was healthy we wouldn't be hearing this talk, in reality Benson was only averaging 3.5 YPC, the biggest problem is the O-line, scheme, and TE's. I will also say that Green has been less than stellar as well.

As the beat writers have been saying for awhile now, every game Green has been outright missing obvious cutbacks that minimally would have resulted in 8-10+ yard gains... now, this wouldn't be such an issue if he was still getting 3-4 yds, but he misses the cut back and gets next to nothing. As I said earlier on this forum, what Green is doing when he misses these cuts is no different in impact to Finley's drops, yet Green gets nowhere near the ill will that Finley does for his mental errors.

At present, Green is far outclassed as an everydown back. Let him play the 3rd down role and work on developing the awareness necessary to be an everydown guy (*we do know he has a history of struggling with learning disabilities. At the time of the draft, Green professed that he was a visual learner... I'm not so certain it isn't more about him having a relative deficit in executive functioning/processing speed. When it is obvious what to do [i.e., make one guy in open space miss], he can do it. When a whole mess of information is coming to him, it seems obvious that he becomes overwhelmed). In any event, someone else needs to be getting the carries on 1st/2nd down.

You are simply lying with your first sentence, not every beat writer is saying Green has been outright missing cutback lanes, the common thread about those covering the team believes that it is mutual failures between the RB's and the OL, you also have to throw the TE's into the equation because there blocking is absolutely pathetic. Cedric Benson was averaging under four yards per carry as well. This offensive line is not built to be a tough run blocking crew, the simple truth is that Jeff Saturday is an incredibly weak link and your o-line is only as good as its weakest link. I also believe the scheme needs to be looked at, they do not seem to have a run blocking style, still have a little zone blocking to them, but far from a conventional zone blocking scheme. Perhaps it is time to find a new O-line coach because it is not common knowledge but Joe Philbin worked with the offensive line every week, even when he was the o-coordinator, his teaching has been greatly missed.

As the beat writers have been saying for awhile now, every game Green has been outright missing obvious cutbacks that minimally would have resulted in 8-10+ yard gains

You are simply lying with your first sentence, not every beat writer is saying Green has been outright missing cutback lanes,

You're right. Green has never missed a cutback lane, the numerous high profile Packer tweeters have never mentioned his poor vision, and, if anything, have lauded his on field awareness. I, clearly, am suffering from a case of Folie A Deux with the rest of the Alex Green Haters club.