Time to bring in Helton

[GreenGrizz]

In order to keep our big lead in the east, we need to bring in another good batter to keep the team out of fatigue for the play-offs. We really don't need Hanson and Delcarment. Let Colorado have them both. Okajima is our man now.

[sunshinekids99]

Ummm no thank you. Youk and Lowell are doing just fine.

[Flaming Mo]

Actually the big lead is giving the Red Sox the opportunity to see what their young players can do on the major league level. Now there's not that much pressure on Delcarmen for example and it might help him to finally make the jump in the big leagues...

[Basketball Jesus]

Can Helton play short or center?

[Bleeding Green]

Yes, get Helton to take over for Lowell or Youkilis so the Red Sox can score about 3 more runs over the course of the season. It's worth the prospects and the like 15 million dollars a season.

[Rondo_Fan]

Hey, I'm all for trading young pitching prospects in return for aging sluggers. Sounds like a great way to run a baseball team! Why didn't somebody think of this before?

[celtsloyalty]

Hey, I'm all for trading young pitching prospects in return for aging sluggers. Sounds like a great way to run a baseball team! Why didn't somebody think of this before?

Yeah replacing Drew with Nixon was enough for me. I don't want this team to turn into the Yankees. I'd rather have good pitching then hitting and Decarlmen makes our bullpen deep. Also Colorado wouldn't except this deal.

[HeelSox]

who are these prospects? Delcarment? Decarlmen?

I guess I haven't been following the minors too well

[Basketball Jesus]

You like to de-Carl men.

[Celtics_Champs]

Why mess with whats working?

[Chach]

Because people are idiots.

The offense is running well and under performing at the same time. Drew, Lugo, and Coco are all going to hit better than they have been so when Youk and Lowell and Pedroia come back to earth, things will even out. All this team really needs is another solid reliever and some good luck and we are playing in October. mahalo
~Chach~

[GreenGrizz]

Are you calling me an idiot, Chach?

[GreenGrizz]

If your memory serves you right, remember 1978. We were in the first place for the whole summer. We were f*cking 12 games ahead of the Yankees. Chach, you need to stop talking like you know everything.

[GreenGrizz]

HeelSox, how could you not know Manny Delcarmen? He is a popular local kid. Colorado wanted him for Helton but Boston turned the offer down last winter. If you don't know prospects, you have no busniness being in this forum. Go and watch some cartoon shows or something.

[Chach]

Are you calling me an idiot, Chach?

Most people are idiots. Most Red Sox fans are idiots. Do I know everything? No, I don't. But I know more than most people. Do I know more than you? I don't know but you're not off to a very promising start.

During the off-season, I would have been in your camp. I was in favor of trading for Helton because I feared that this team might not be able to hit. Lowell had a horrible second half slide. Youkilis faded and we weren't sure what we had in him. Pedroia was starting at second and we didn't know what was up with him. Coco never hit. Varitek is getting old. There were a lot of questions about the offense. So I was in favor of trading for Helton. But the offense is extremely productive thus far and I don't see a hole to play him. Lowell would probably have to be involved but why would you trade a coming to FA who is hitting for offense and power for a player who is hitting for a considerable average but minimal power and an extremely long and expensive contract that Colorado has already balked at playing a large chunk for. And Youkilis is an MVP candidate so he's not getting bumped and Ortiz limits your DHing options. This team is winning at a .700 clip and the only real potential Achilles Heal is the relief pitching if the starting pitching doesn't continue to dominant. So yeah, I don't see the point of adding an aging star who is owed over $15 million a year for the next few years when we have a FA coming off the books. If you want to run the Sox like the New York Yankees and buy every aging star on the trade block, OK but I'd disagree.

And, for future reference, if you want people to take you seriously and get pissed at people's ignorance, you better check yourself before you wreck yourself. I am quoting your original post:

In order to keep our big lead in the east, we need to bring in another good batter to keep the team out of fatigue for the play-offs. We really don't need Hanson and Delcarment. Let Colorado have them both. Okajima is our man now.

It's Hansen and Delcarmen. That is what HellSox's joke was about. Once again to quote you,

If you don't know prospects, you have no busniness being in this forum. Go and watch some cartoon shows or something.

mahalo
~Chach~

[GreenGrizz]

We definitely need some veteran help before the Yankees re-group and start chasing us in September. Alot of posters were not existed in 1978. It broke my heart to remember. I think some players like Coco and Pena need to go. Time to bring some kids from the minors.

[Chach]

And I completely understand that. It's like your grandparents who grew up in the Great Depression, when some of the same signs show up you can't help but think back to the worst points in your life. So don't think I'm calling you an irrational idiot, because I'm not. You are being completely rational, I just think that the 78 and 07 situations are completely different. Most notably, Ron Guidry isn't pitching and no one in the Yanks rotation is going to sniff the Cy Young award. This Yankees team is not the same team that beat the Red Sox in 78, not built anything like it.

For a frame of reference, if the Sox completely crap the bed and play .500 from here on out, we will win 92 games. In order for the Yankees to beat us, they will have to play .630 baseball from here on out. And with Hughes and Clemens, two of their three best starters, out for an indefinite amount of time and their team being more banged up then we were last season, I can't see them being able to mount an incredible comeback.

And further more, even if the Yankees somehow play .700 from June 3rd though September and win 100 games, we still have a very good chance of making the playoffs because of the Wild Card. If the Wild Card existed in 78, there would be no Bucky Bleepin Dent because both teams would have made the playoffs. And if the Yankees do play .700 ball from here on out, no amount of extra help will save us because the team will just be rollin and unbeatable in the playoffs, similar to how we were in 2004.

I'm not saying the Yankees can't catch us and make it like 78 but the situations are completely different. The only similarity is the fact that we are creaming the Yankees. I'm all for making improvements on the team but it has to be done with improving the team OVERALL, rather than making a snap move in order to fend off a potential Yankees comeback. mahalo
~Chach~

[GreenGrizz]

Unless the Yankees make a big trade but what you said makes sense. I forgot that they had Ron Guidry and Rich Goosage. They were impossible to beat. They had Reggie "Mr. October" Jackson, too.

[Chach]

And not to sound like a homer, but they don't have much worth trading for. All their best players in the minors are pitchers so that can net them something. However, 4 of their top arms are hurt so they won't fetch much, Joba the Hut can't be traded because he signed less than a year ago, Kennedy got a big bonus and doesn't have that high of a ceiling, and their other pitching prospect won't make much of a splash. The only two guys they have of value are Tabata and Hughes.

Now with Giambi and Minky out, I expect the Yanks to be involved heavily in trying to get Helton. Now, like I said, their best pitching prospects are hurt and the Rockies have probably the best OF depth in the minor leagues right now so Tabata isn't a good fit. The only real piece they have is Hughes and I can't see the Yanks giving him up. And if they do, they are giving up a potential Cy Young winner for Dougie in his prime, except that he doesn't cost $18 million. And Helton isn't good enough to save their season.

As I was saying before, I agree with you in terms of trying to add more talent to this team, ESPECIALLY in the pen because they are fairly shallow there. But I want to do it simply to improve the team, not to prepare for the Yankees to come storming back. I worry more about facing Cleveland in the playoffs than the Yanks being resurrected. mahalo
~Chach~

[NorthSider]

Hey, I'm all for trading young pitching prospects in return for aging sluggers. Sounds like a great way to run a baseball team! Why didn't somebody think of this before?