Thursday's game and some ramblings...

[NYKnSTILL!]

Cmaff its ok, some guys just are infatuated with prospects. I mean guys can't pitch past 35 anymore. Just look at Roger Clemens, Tom Glavine, Greg maddux, David Wells, Curt Schilling, Mike Mussina, El Duque, etc.

Lowry wouldn't do crap for us this year. And if we need a lefty next year we can go out and sign Mark Buerhle.

oh brother overrating starts vs Chicago and Arizona you gotta be kidding me this what we come to ?

Your gonna be crying for Buerhle or Lowry when Moose returns to his anal weak throwing self again.

[nykgeneralmanager]

Can we stop with this Lowry BS? He is nothing more than a #4 starter, I wouldn't give up anything other than mid level prospects, so forget about guys like Moose and Abreu.

[NYKnSTILL!]

Can we stop with this Lowry BS? He is nothing more than a #4 starter, I wouldn't give up anything other than mid level prospects, so forget about guys like Moose and Abreu.

NYKGM that's the whole point 34Celtic is arguing he'd rather have Mussina over Lowry and Jonathon Sanchez we're justing arguing how that is wrong.

[34Celtic]

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NYKGM that's the whole point 34Celtic is arguing he'd rather have Musiina over Lowry and Jonathon Sanchez we're justing arguing how that is wrong.

NYKGM is saying Lowry isnt more than a 4 starter so he wouldn't give up anything besides a mid level prospect. None the less Abreu or Moose. Can you please stop underrating Moose and overrating Lowry and Sanchez? For the rest of the year we are fine with Moose over Lowry, and I'll take Moose any day of the week and twic eon Sundays. Plus what do we need Lowry or Sanchez for? Judging by how you feel about Hughes, Clip, Joba, and MRRR Kennedy we are set for pitching for the next 39 years.

[NYKnSTILL!]

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NYKGM is saying Lowry isnt more than a 4 starter so he wouldn't give up anything besides a mid level prospect. None the less Abreu or Moose. Can you please stop underrating Moose and overrating Lowry and Sanchez? For the rest of the year we are fine with Moose over Lowry, and I'll take Moose any day of the week and twic eon Sundays. Plus what do we need Lowry or Sanchez for? Judging by how you feel about Hughes, Clip, Joba, and MRRR Kennedy we are set for pitching for the next 39 years.

Moose is nothing more than a number 4 starters too !!!, he can't be an anchor , your not going to match him up vs a # 1 , 2, or 3 anymore. I guarantee you these type of starts that he has vs the White Soxs and D-Backs isn't going to happen anymore.

[34Celtic]

Well craykies, we might as well get Andrew Brackman up here right away. Moose is done.

[NYKnSTILL!]

Well craykies, we might as well get Andrew Brackman up here right away. Moose is done.

Brackman ain't coming up until mid season next year or 2009 you fool !!!!!!

next year it's JO - BA's turn

[nykgeneralmanager]

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Moose is nothing more than a number 4 starters too !!!, he can't be an anchor , your not going to match him up vs a # 1 , 2, or 3 anymore. I guarantee you these type of starts that he has vs the White Soxs and D-Backs isn't going to happen anymore.

No I was arguing against you

And to say that Moose is a #4 is blasphemous. Moose can still pitch at a VERY high level, if that hasn't been proven already. He is probably a really good #3 or an average #2 at this point, but he can go stretches pitching as a good #2. I never really understood the Moose hate, for the last 3 years all anybody talks about is how he's done and how he can't pitch big games. However, he's had a low ERA and has pitched maybe our best 2 postseason games of the last 5-6 years or so.

But that isn't even my point here. My point is that Lowry blows, and there are 50 guys I'd prefer to trade for (as realistic options) for somebody like Moose or Abreu. Oh, and don't even mention Sanchez.

[34Celtic]

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Brackman ain't coming up until mid season next year or 2009 you fool !!!!!!

next year it's JO - BA's turn

I still think we should have taken Harvey. And that was a joke.

[NYKnSTILL!]

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No I was arguing against you

And to say that Moose is a #4 is blasphemous. Moose can still pitch at a VERY high level, if that hasn't been proven already. He is probably a really good #3 or an average #2 at this point, but he can go stretches pitching as a good #2. I never really understood the Moose hate, for the last 3 years all anybody talks about is how he's done and how he can't pitch big games. However, he's had a low ERA and has pitched maybe our best 2 postseason games of the last 5-6 years or so.

But that isn't even my point here. My point is that Lowry blows, and there are 50 guys I'd prefer to trade for (as realistic options) for somebody like Moose or Abreu. Oh, and don't even mention Sanchez.

NYKGM you know Lowry is pitching for one of the worst offensive team in the league in the San Fransico Giants, you telling me he blows in the NL

vs. Left: .182 vs. Right: .263

GO - AO W/L ERA

46-30 Mar- Apr. 3 - 2 3.69 ERA
49-27 May 2 - 2 2.48 ERA
29-18 June 1 - 1 4.74 ERA (Bonds OF errors)

[NYKnSTILL!]

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I still think we should have taken Harvey. And that was a joke.

Harvey is strongly considering college

[34Celtic]

STILL YOU ARE MISSING THE BOAT. First SF doesnt have the money to take on Bonds, second Moose and Bobby for Lowry and Dirty Sanchez doesnt help us this year...AT ALL. Third, the way you see it, our pitching is stacked for the next 39 years, like I said earlier. You say we have 4 or 5 or 6 stud arms in the minors, why take a step back this year? To win 104 games instead of 101 in 2010?

[NYKnSTILL!]

STILL YOU ARE MISSING THE BOAT. First SF doesnt have the money to take on Bonds, second Moose and Bobby for Lowry and Dirty Sanchez doesnt help us this year...AT ALL. Third, the way you see it, our pitching is stacked for the next 39 years, like I said earlier. You say we have 4 or 5 or 6 stud arms in the minors, why take a step back this year? To win 104 games instead of 101 in 2010?

I know this move isn't going to happen the arguement is if it were done it would have been an upgrade.

[34Celtic]

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I know this move isn't going to happen the arguement is if it were done it would have been an upgrade.

Abreu and Moose for Sanchez Lowry and Linden? Maybe in the prospect department

[NYKnSTILL!]

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Abreu and Moose for Sanchez Lowry and Linden? Maybe in the prospect department

no my friend in the future progress dept.

Lowry is a # 3 or # 4 SP which Moose is actually pitching worse than at that time before he caught up w/ the sissy teams, Linden was for defense which Abreu absolutely provides none of. As a matter of fact if not for his eye at the plate this convo would sound real stupid.

Sanchez is another LHP who throw high 90's they rushed him this year, he will be a potential mid relief to back starter type pitcher when it's said and don, check Oli Perez for reference.

when it's said and done Moose will retire and your gonna be wondering why we couldn't get a solid SP in Lowry, bank on it

[cmaff051]

Lowry is not a #3 or #4 or in the AL. He's a #5 starter here. Moose is better.

Comparing Sanchez to Oliver Perez?

Moose is going to have bad outings occasionally, he's not the ace he used to be, but the guy had a 3.51 ERA last year!!! He didn't lose it all in one year!!

[34Celtic]

The funniest part of the whole thread is that he said if it weren't for Abreu's eye at the plate then my part of the convo would sound real stupid. Imagine Phelps at DH right now fulltime with Damon in center. YIKES. STILL, what is with your infatuation with young players? Moose is a boarderline HOF and in case you haven't noticed, is very smart. Smart players can reinvent themselves.

[nykgeneralmanager]

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NYKGM you know Lowry is pitching for one of the worst offensive team in the league in the San Fransico Giants, you telling me he blows in the NL

vs. Left: .182 vs. Right: .263

GO - AO W/L ERA

46-30 Mar- Apr. 3 - 2 3.69 ERA
49-27 May 2 - 2 2.48 ERA
29-18 June 1 - 1 4.74 ERA (Bonds OF errors)

Every team has bad fielders, hell do you know that last season Mike Mussina had the worst defense behind him in the ENTIRE majors?

What is there about Lowry that interests you so much? His ERA? His peripherals leave way too much to be desired, his strikeout ratio sucks, he allows a hit per inning (which is okay), and his BBs are atrocious. Oh, and this is all in the NL West. By the way, the 5 teams in that division are in the bottom 11 of offenses in MLB. Combine that with Lowry's subpar peripherals, and you have yourself an awful #4/5 pitcher in the AL East.

I really fail to understand where your infatuation with him is coming from.

[nykgeneralmanager]

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no my friend in the future progress dept.

Lowry is a # 3 or # 4 SP which Moose is actually pitching worse than at that time before he caught up w/ the sissy teams, Linden was for defense which Abreu absolutely provides none of. As a matter of fact if not for his eye at the plate this convo would sound real stupid.

Sanchez is another LHP who throw high 90's they rushed him this year, he will be a potential mid relief to back starter type pitcher when it's said and don, check Oli Perez for reference.

when it's said and done Moose will retire and your gonna be wondering why we couldn't get a solid SP in Lowry, bank on it

Neither Lindan, Lowry, or Sanchez would have been able to start on any Yankee team since 1996. End of discussion. There are hundreds of players in baseball better than those scrubs.

Sure, if the Giants like Jeff Karstens and Kevin Thompson, then give me Lowry. But I'm not trading one of the most dynamic players in baseball (Abreu) and a guy who is still a #2/3 pitcher and probably a HOF for them.

[nykgeneralmanager]

And while we're at it, I may as well dismiss Sanchez as a major league player. In 60 career innings, he has walked 36 batters. His only good stint in his career was AA.

As for Linden, we may as well just start Tim Battle if all we want is defense and 3 Ks a night. Neither one of them will provide much else.

My overall point here is that you are bringning up BACKUPS or low end starters, why the **** would we aim for those? And at the cost of Moose and Abreu (it would be bad even at the cost of ONE of them).