GT: Packers Vs. Cards @ Lambeau West

[jazzfanWA]

This is such a bonehead team. All we can succeed on is schoolyard football. Somehow they lose Fitzgerald in the zone. That was preceded by Rodgers taking 33 seconds to run up the field and then running a play instead of spiking. Preceded by Rodgers throwing low to Jones on 4th down when a TO in all likelihood wouldn't hurt you. Preceded by McCarthy and Rodgers calling runs and dumping off to backs when urgency was paramount.

Then, it's debatable, but I felt pretty strongly, and said even before the drive, let alone after, we should go for two in that situation. It's hard to get back up coming off a high, we were playing on the road, lost there in OT the last time in the playoffs, and it comes down largely to a coin toss otherwise. You just need to have a feel in the situation, and I don't think he did. He went traditional.

in a way we're lucky to almost always be there, the Browns would certainly want to be us, but nobody loses more brutally.

Maybe another team would do that, but the Packers are horrific down by the goal line.

[BallinBucks420]

ya Shields doesn't even make an effort to tackle Fitz on that last play..dropped a couple INTS...**** him

Yeah, you have to say, with the season on the line Shield just shat the bed. That was unacceptable. Particularly, considering he dropped a potential game-sealing pick 6 as well. It is what it is.

BUT, honestly, I had my super bowl with Jeff Janis' two catches. Those were UNBELIEVABLE. And, that end of regulation catch may simply go down as the greatest pass and catch in the history of the NFL. I'll take that.

Ya that was amazing but man i want RINGS...Rodgers prime continues to go away and he has 1 Super Bowl...This coaching staff and Roster management has screwed us out of 2 opportunities now....Shields has to make an effort there..force him out of bounds not run right past him..the guy just doesn't want to tackle

[BallinBucks420]

You don't kick an onside kick and give them 40 yards to score..especially with how the defense was playing..make them punt the ball but of course we didn't get the stop..the likelihood of getting an onside kick is slim..but of course we CHOCKED.

[Bernman]

Maybe another team would do that, but the Packers are horrific down by the goal line.

We converted the last one, there's no thought of running, and we've been succeeding in the scramble drill lately. I think it had more than 50% chance to work in that particular situation, or at least better than the alternative, given the situation. And I'm not usually one to call for it. It just added up then.

[emunney]

Now I'm just annoyed that the season is over when they finally start playing well. What a **** cheat. I got so little raw enjoyment out of this year.

[emunney]

ya Shields doesn't even make an effort to tackle Fitz on that last play..dropped a couple INTS...**** him

Yeah, you have to say, with the season on the line Shield just shat the bed. That was unacceptable. Particularly, considering he dropped a potential game-sealing pick 6 as well. It is what it is.

BUT, honestly, I had my super bowl with Jeff Janis' two catches. Those were UNBELIEVABLE. And, that end of regulation catch may simply go down as the greatest pass and catch in the history of the NFL. I'll take that.

Ya that was amazing but man i want RINGS...Rodgers prime continues to go away and he has 1 Super Bowl...This coaching staff and Roster management has screwed us out of 2 opportunities now....Shields has to make an effort there..force him out of bounds not run right past him..the guy just doesn't want to tackle

Eh, it isn't just on Shields. Everyone overpursued.

[emunney]

I'm all in on the Panthers now. I don't think they're that great, but you don't have to be.

[bizarro]

Maybe another team would do that, but the Packers are horrific down by the goal line.

We converted the last one, there's no thought of running, and we've been succeeding in the scramble drill lately. I think it had more than 50% chance to work in that particular situation, or at least better than the alternative, given the situation. And I'm not usually one to call for it. It just added up then.

I wholeheartedly agree w/ Bernman. That was my contention as well: You just completed the most improbably comeback in NFL history. Just completed the best pass and catch in any situation in NFL history. The Cards were shell-shocked. GO FOR 2! Nothing to lose. Best odds. Best field position. YOU determine who wins or loses w/ the ball in A-ROD'S hands. What does McCarthy do? What McCarthy does. Play to have a chance to win. Never make the play to win the game. It is what it is. And, 9 times out of 10 I go for 2 after that miracle.

On the other hand, I completely disagree with Twirlz. Onside? NO WAY. Not after you opt out of a chance to seal the deal and leave the desert having pillage Phoenix.

[bizarro]

Yeah, you have to say, with the season on the line Shield just shat the bed. That was unacceptable. Particularly, considering he dropped a potential game-sealing pick 6 as well. It is what it is.

BUT, honestly, I had my super bowl with Jeff Janis' two catches. Those were UNBELIEVABLE. And, that end of regulation catch may simply go down as the greatest pass and catch in the history of the NFL. I'll take that.

Ya that was amazing but man i want RINGS...Rodgers prime continues to go away and he has 1 Super Bowl...This coaching staff and Roster management has screwed us out of 2 opportunities now....Shields has to make an effort there..force him out of bounds not run right past him..the guy just doesn't want to tackle

Eh, it isn't just on Shields. Everyone overpursued.

Well, in that scenario, I think it was clearly on Shields and Dix BUT Shields cuts in front of Dix and makes a weak-a@@ arm tackle attempt. Mathews was simply pursuing from behind. And, actually, how the f### does Fitzgerald go unmarked AGAIN on that side of the field?

[trwi7]

You don't kick an onside kick and give them 40 yards to score..especially with how the defense was playing..make them punt the ball but of course we didn't get the stop..the likelihood of getting an onside kick is slim..but of course we CHOCKED.

Once again, you're assuming that the onside kick won't work. I don't know the percentages but my guess is a decently executed onside kick has a decent chance of working. They almost never work when the receiving team is expecting and prepared for it, but that's not the case here.

And even if you don't recover, the defense was playing well enough where taking the chance is a pretty decent idea. They held the highest scoring offense in the league to two TD's in regulation. That would've been the only way we would lose the game.

The upside of getting the onside kick offsets the downside of giving them great field position if it's not successful there, especially since there's no guarantee they score a TD and that's the only thing that would've won them the game in that situation.

But yes, we're CHOCKED full of CHOKERS. Those two words are as difficult as there, their and they're.

[Bernman]

I wholeheartedly agree w/ Bernman. That was my contention as well: You just completed the most improbably comeback in NFL history. Just completed the best pass and catch in any situation in NFL history. The Cards were shell-shocked. GO FOR 2! Nothing to lose. Best odds. Best field position. YOU determine who wins or loses w/ the ball in A-ROD'S hands. What does McCarthy do? What McCarthy does. Play to have a chance to win. Never make the play to win the game. It is what it is. And, 9 times out of 10 I go for 2 after that miracle.

They also just flashed the stat: Packers are 0-7 all time in OT games w/ Rodgers, 0-3 playoffs. That's definitely in the back of my mind, playing into that bad feeling we won't win if this goes to OT. And just to reiterate, this is not Monday morning QB'ing. It's 4th quarter on Saturday night. That was how I felt, I'm not emotional, over the top always go for it guy, and I'm confident it was a better option than the alternative.

[bizarro]

I wholeheartedly agree w/ Bernman. That was my contention as well: You just completed the most improbably comeback in NFL history. Just completed the best pass and catch in any situation in NFL history. The Cards were shell-shocked. GO FOR 2! Nothing to lose. Best odds. Best field position. YOU determine who wins or loses w/ the ball in A-ROD'S hands. What does McCarthy do? What McCarthy does. Play to have a chance to win. Never make the play to win the game. It is what it is. And, 9 times out of 10 I go for 2 after that miracle.

They also just flashed the stat: Packers are 0-7 all time in OT games w/ Rodgers, 0-3 playoffs. That's definitely in the back of my mind, playing into that bad feeling we won't win if this goes to OT. And just to reiterate, this is not Monday morning QB'ing. It's 4th quarter on Saturday night. That was how I felt, I'm not emotional, over the top always go for it guy, and I'm confident it was a better option than the alternative.

I'll take it a step further:

There are bigger things at stake here. You determine karma. You don't leave it in the hands of refs. You don't leave it in the hands of a coin toss. You leave it in the hands of your HOF QB. You heal the wound of Mike Sherman's inability to go for it in Philadelphia with vastly better odds at completing a 4th and 1. You lose by trying to grab victory. It's really as simple as that. This is merely bolstered by the 0-7 stat, imho. McCarthy is generally a conservative coach, however. It typically bites him in the a@@. All I needed was watching the end of the Patriots game today. They grabbed that game by the jugular. In the back of my mind, I'm thinking: Mac runs it 3 and out no doubt about it...while Belicheck and Brady complete 2nd down passes for 1st downs. It is what it is.

[Teddyb]

The Packers lost because they didn't have their top 4 receivers.....the defense was fine. However Im not sure how you can just leave 11 wide open....uncovered...?

[Iheartfootball]

Maybe another team would do that, but the Packers are horrific down by the goal line.

We converted the last one, there's no thought of running, and we've been succeeding in the scramble drill lately. I think it had more than 50% chance to work in that particular situation, or at least better than the alternative, given the situation. And I'm not usually one to call for it. It just added up then.

I wholeheartedly agree w/ Bernman. That was my contention as well: You just completed the most improbably comeback in NFL history. Just completed the best pass and catch in any situation in NFL history. The Cards were shell-shocked. GO FOR 2! Nothing to lose. Best odds. Best field position. YOU determine who wins or loses w/ the ball in A-ROD'S hands. What does McCarthy do? What McCarthy does. Play to have a chance to win. Never make the play to win the game. It is what it is. And, 9 times out of 10 I go for 2 after that miracle.

On the other hand, I completely disagree with Twirlz. Onside? NO WAY. Not after you opt out of a chance to seal the deal and leave the desert having pillage Phoenix.

Yeah. This contradicts my point earlier about McCarthy. You want to win a Super Bowl? I have to agree. He made the wrong call on that.

You go for two. Take a shot.

[Buckrageous]

Onside kick or going for 2 doesn't seem like a bad option now, does it?

The 2 I would have been behind, not so.much the onside

I have no idea why you wouldn't be in favor of the onside kick. Seriously, explain it. Even if they get the ball at the Packers 45 or whatever, they still have to score a TD. It would catch the Cardinals completely off guard.

I just don't get how you can be in favor of a play where if you don't convert, you lose but not in favor of a play where even if you don't succeed they still have to complete a drive for a TD, albeit a shortened drive to win.

There is at least a 50/50 shot at 2. There much less than that getting the onside kick. Is that a good enough explanation for you or do I need to accompany it with childish animation for you to understand?

[trwi7]

The 2 I would have been behind, not so.much the onside

I have no idea why you wouldn't be in favor of the onside kick. Seriously, explain it. Even if they get the ball at the Packers 45 or whatever, they still have to score a TD. It would catch the Cardinals completely off guard.

I just don't get how you can be in favor of a play where if you don't convert, you lose but not in favor of a play where even if you don't succeed they still have to complete a drive for a TD, albeit a shortened drive to win.

There is at least a 50/50 shot at 2. There much less than that getting the onside kick. Is that a good enough explanation for you or do I need to accompany it with childish animation for you to understand?

Between 2001 and 2010, surprise onside kicks were successful 60% of the time, while expected onside kicks were successful less than 20% of the time.

This would've been a surprise onside kick, which would give us better than 50/50 odds to recover it. If you were okay with going for two, you should be okay with going for an onside kick.

Not only that but recovering an onside kick under the rules means that the original receiving team was deemed to have the opportunity to possess the ball in overtime, which would mean the Packers would only have to get a FG to win the game if they recovered.

[HKPackFan]

The win against the Redskins was cute and fun while it lasted but I'm not buying into the Packer's false bravado.This one will be a bit more competitive than last time,but back to reality.

Cards 34
Packers 17

Packers lose by less than 7 and you don't post during draft weekend? lose by more than 7 and I won't post on draft weekend.

I'd rather just make the bet if they win or lose but I'll take that bet.

I hope I am wrong and the Packers win but I just don't see it,I'll be pretty surprised if the Packers lose by 7 or less.We'll see what happens.

So rilaman free draft weekend correct?

[rilamann]

Packers lose by less than 7 and you don't post during draft weekend? lose by more than 7 and I won't post on draft weekend.

I'd rather just make the bet if they win or lose but I'll take that bet.

I hope I am wrong and the Packers win but I just don't see it,I'll be pretty surprised if the Packers lose by 7 or less.We'll see what happens.

So rilaman free draft weekend correct?

That is correct,I've never made a bet I didn't honor.

To me,making a bet and not honoring it is almost as big a bitch move as not throwing at Richard Sherman one time in an entire game when you have the best QB in the world...lol.