Cardinals Post Game

[El Duderino]

I can totally get fans wanting to replace McCarthy for the overall lack of playoff success outside of 2010 and i'm in that camp, but a big reason why many people on here take shots at you are silly examples you listed here. As if McCarthy had anything to do with guys like Driver and Grant fumbling in playoff games. Or Rodgers throwing a ball poorly for a pick.How can you possibly believe nonsense like a coach being a reason why a player fumbles?

By that logic, it was Tomlin's fault when that RB fumbled in the 4th quarter and was a huge factor in the Steelers losing to Denver last week. Also that it was Tomlin's fault when Rashard Mendenhall had that key fumble in the Super Bowl loss to the Packers. It must have been Tomlin "standing over their shoulders telling them not to screw up," so they both fumbled.

The Packers lost that game to Arizona in 2009 solely because the defense got destroyed, end of story. The offense put up 500 yards and 45 points. The refs were no help either.

BTW, the Grant example in 2007 is a really bizarre choice by you to try proving your point. After those two fumbles, the Packers were down 14-0 and didn't fold in the slightest. They proceeded to outscore Seattle 42-6 and instead of McCarthy crushing Grant's confidence as you imply, McCarthy kept Grant in there and he rushed for a whopping 201 yards.

There are a variety of reasons to want a new Packers coach, but the reasons you list are flat out goofy.

I find it goofy that you totally dismiss the notion that a scared conservative coach,which Mike McCarthy is when the stakes are high wouldn't effect his team to play with that same mentality.Which would then cause them to play tentative and be more prone to making miscues and mistakes that they normally don't make.Like the old cliche,teams take on the mentality of their head coach.When Burnett came to the sidelines after he slide on that interception he probably went up to McCarthy and was like ''I did good,right coach?''

It's not a fluke that we have this discussion EVERY January.

And sure,all teams make mistakes and commit turnovers,but the Packers uncharacteristic miscues becoming characteristic in the playoffs season after season after season is a totally different animal than that one time some other guy fumbled.

If the Packers played in the regular season the way they usually play in the playoffs...they wouldn't make the playoffs.

Burnett slid because Peppers was an idiot, put his hand up, and yelled for Burnett to slide.

As for you blaming any coach for a player fumbling because supposedly a coach made them "tentative", yea i think it's goofy and i have no doubt that both Grant and Driver would also say that's more than goofy. That's because unlike how you think, most pro athletes don't pass the buck for mistakes they make which are in their own control.

It's also why we simply don't agree. I've ingrained in my daughter from a young age that there will always be things in your life for which only you yourself control and if you go around making excuses for or trying to pass the buck for mistakes you make, you'll never make much of yourself in life. Own your mistakes and learn from them whenever possible vs blaming others.

That said, i do wish Ted wasn't so risk adverse, would move on from McCarthy, and gave some reasons why in a post to th87. McCarthy has been given enough chances to get better results overall in the playoffs. What i'll never do though is make excuses for a number of players who did things like fumble and then trying using some psychobabble to pass the buck onto someone else who had zero control over why that athlete fumbled.

McCarthy certainly has made coaching decisions in losses which deserve criticism. He also chose to keep on Slocum way to long running special teams and it burned him badly in a NFC Title game. He's kept Capers as defensive coordinator even after multiple poor to horrible performances in playoff losses. Meltdowns in OT. Him not adjusting better this year to losing Jordy. Those type of decisions he owns, not a player allowing a ball to get punched out of his arm or Rodgers missing throws he normally makes.

Grant as you listed, he didn't go into a coward like shell after two fumbles leading to being down 14-0. Instead, he behaved like an accountable man and professional. About 200 rushing yards later and a 42-6 battering, Grant and his team won by 22 points. After Driver fumbled and Rodgers threw an early pick vs Arizona, neither adopted anything near a scared mentality as you imply. Each instead acted like an accountable man and professional, didn't pout, and dropped 500 yards and 45 points on the Cardinals defense. Our defense got destroyed, making 45 points not enough.

You don't have to make up stuff to blame McCarthy on to say Ted should look for a new guy to lead the team. There are other more justified reasons to choose from.

[th87]

I can totally get fans wanting to replace McCarthy for the overall lack of playoff success outside of 2010 and i'm in that camp, but a big reason why many people on here take shots at you are silly examples you listed here. As if McCarthy had anything to do with guys like Driver and Grant fumbling in playoff games. Or Rodgers throwing a ball poorly for a pick.How can you possibly believe nonsense like a coach being a reason why a player fumbles?

By that logic, it was Tomlin's fault when that RB fumbled in the 4th quarter and was a huge factor in the Steelers losing to Denver last week. Also that it was Tomlin's fault when Rashard Mendenhall had that key fumble in the Super Bowl loss to the Packers. It must have been Tomlin "standing over their shoulders telling them not to screw up," so they both fumbled.

The Packers lost that game to Arizona in 2009 solely because the defense got destroyed, end of story. The offense put up 500 yards and 45 points. The refs were no help either.

BTW, the Grant example in 2007 is a really bizarre choice by you to try proving your point. After those two fumbles, the Packers were down 14-0 and didn't fold in the slightest. They proceeded to outscore Seattle 42-6 and instead of McCarthy crushing Grant's confidence as you imply, McCarthy kept Grant in there and he rushed for a whopping 201 yards.

There are a variety of reasons to want a new Packers coach, but the reasons you list are flat out goofy.

I find it goofy that you totally dismiss the notion that a scared conservative coach,which Mike McCarthy is when the stakes are high wouldn't effect his team to play with that same mentality.Which would then cause them to play tentative and be more prone to making miscues and mistakes that they normally don't make.Like the old cliche,teams take on the mentality of their head coach.When Burnett came to the sidelines after he slide on that interception he probably went up to McCarthy and was like ''I did good,right coach?''

It's not a fluke that we have this discussion EVERY January.

And sure,all teams make mistakes and commit turnovers,but the Packers uncharacteristic miscues becoming characteristic in the playoffs season after season after season is a totally different animal than that one time some other guy fumbled.

If the Packers played in the regular season the way they usually play in the playoffs...they wouldn't make the playoffs.

Burnett slid because Peppers was an idiot, put his hand up, and yelled for Burnett to slide.

As for you blaming any coach for a player fumbling because supposedly a coach made them "tentative", yea i think it's goofy and i have no doubt that both Grant and Driver would also say that's more than goofy. That's because unlike how you think, most pro athletes don't pass the buck for mistakes they make which are in their own control.

It's also why we simply don't agree. I've ingrained in my daughter from a young age that there will always be things in your life for which only you yourself control and if you go around making excuses for or trying to pass the buck for mistakes you make, you'll never make much of yourself in life. Own your mistakes and learn from them whenever possible vs blaming others.

That said, i do wish Ted wasn't so risk adverse, would move on from McCarthy, and gave some reasons why in a post to th87. McCarthy has been given enough chances to get better results overall in the playoffs. What i'll never do though is make excuses for a number of players who did things like fumble and then trying using some psychobabble to pass the buck onto someone else who had zero control over why that athlete fumbled.

McCarthy certainly has made coaching decisions in losses which deserve criticism. He also chose to keep on Slocum way to long running special teams and it burned him badly in a NFC Title game. He's kept Capers as defensive coordinator even after multiple poor to horrible performances in playoff losses. Meltdowns in OT. Him not adjusting better this year to losing Jordy. Those type of decisions he owns, not a player allowing a ball to get punched out of his arm or Rodgers missing throws he normally makes.

Grant as you listed, he didn't go into a coward like shell after two fumbles leading to being down 14-0. Instead, he behaved like an accountable man and professional. About 200 rushing yards later and a 42-6 battering, Grant and his team won by 22 points. After Driver fumbled and Rodgers threw an early pick vs Arizona, neither adopted anything near a scared mentality as you imply. Each instead acted like an accountable man and professional, didn't pout, and dropped 500 yards and 45 points on the Cardinals defense. Our defense got destroyed, making 45 points not enough.

You don't have to make up stuff to blame McCarthy on to say Ted should look for a new guy to lead the team. There are other more justified reasons to choose from.

Of course pro athletes would never make these excuses, and neither would anybody looking to function in society. We can't live that way, otherwise we'd never be accountable for anything. But things do happen for a reason, and a lazy person, for example, may have grown up insecure about his work, passed on by poor work habits, and no reinforcement at home. The phenomenon is real, but he can never believe that, if he wants to dig himself out.

But of course, I'm not saying that that's happening with MM or the Packers. Though I do wonder what it is that is causing these random uncharacteristic unforced errors that pop up in the playoffs. It's *something*, and it happens too consistently to pass off as random.

I actually like MM and am in support of him staying. I think TT needs to get him more help and not rely on pedestrians at important positions.

[KidA24]

Of course pro athletes would never make these excuses, and neither would anybody looking to function in society. We can't live that way, otherwise we'd never be accountable for anything. But things do happen for a reason, and a lazy person, for example, may have grown up insecure about his work, passed on by poor work habits, and no reinforcement at home. The phenomenon is real, but he can never believe that, if he wants to dig himself out.

But of course, I'm not saying that that's happening with MM or the Packers. Though I do wonder what it is that is causing these random uncharacteristic unforced errors that pop up in the playoffs. It's *something*, and it happens too consistently to pass off as random.

I actually like MM and am in support of him staying. I think TT needs to get him more help and not rely on pedestrians at important positions.

I think that when the more talented team loses any NFL game it's because crazy and/or uncharacteristic things happen.

I don't think that it is some symptom unique to the Packers or MM. We just notice it more as they are our favorite team.

They lose when Rodgers plays poorly (as the Patriots do when Brady does) and when they mess up on special teams.

I think accountability needs to be raised across the coaching staff, and the firings post-season are definitely a part of that. It took 5 years of horrible special teams play to get Slocum fired, including two horrible breakdowns vs Seattle. They had above average special teams this year.... with a new coach.