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Re: Game 7: Saints @ Packers 

Post#401 » by El Duderino » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:55 am

rilamann wrote:Put me in the camp that still thinks Hundley is solid, he just doesn't have much of a chance for success on this team.McCarthy is a joke of an NFL head coach,our o-line is terrible and I said it in preseason, our WRs are grossly overrated and Bennett has been a bust.

Rodgers covers most of those warts because he's arguably the best QB to ever play football.

Aaron Jones is the only one on offense besides Rodgers who is a legit pro bowl caliber guy.


I would have replaced McCarthy already, but if Hundley ends up playing poorly over the rest of the season, it will be more on what his skill level is than anyone else.

Matt Flynn was a very marginally skilled QB, yet was able multiple times to put up pretty solid to great numbers and move the offense given his skill level.

We have nine games left, Hundley will show if he has a future beyond as backup quarterback or not. You can see it when it's there or not. He''s mobile and has a good enough arm, but whether he can be accurate, read defenses, go through progressions, be poised in the pocket, and avoid turnovers will determine his future.
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Re: Game 7: Saints @ Packers 

Post#402 » by dools644 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:58 am

More than once Hundley put the ball where it needed to be, in a difficult spot, only to have it dropped or broken up by good defense. I have watched crappy QB play, for the Packers and elsewhere, where you can just see a guy is really struggling and doesn't seem to have what it takes. I didn't feel that way watching Hundley play. It was like there just some missing X factor and the offense wasn't cohesive at all. Rocket passes on 3rd and 1, 5-yard dumpoffs on 3rd and 10...it was all very disjointed. They always do maddening stuff like that, but Rodgers makes most of it work so you don't care as much. The need to tailor the offense to a guy who's barely played at all and put him in a spot to succeed. I didn't see that at all.

I've said this a few times now, but the effective running game didn't seem to complement the pass at all. I think you can see that in McCarthy's anger in the post game. I think he knew he messed this one up.
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Re: Game 7: Saints @ Packers 

Post#403 » by Flames24Rulz » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:18 pm

10 guys on the field on the Saints first TD, defensive timeouts because the defense is late running guys out on the field, multiple miscommunications in the secondary on big plays throughout the course of the day, etc. I've seen enough of this over the last 9 years. MM is getting quite a bit of flack today (and rightfully so), but Capers was absolutely awful yesterday.

I saw the post earlier in the thread saying Rodgers' injury is worth it if MM is fired. For me, this whole season is worth it if Capers is canned. Even with Rodgers, I'm convinced that there's no way we would win the SB this year anyway with the hairpiece as the DC.

I also like how Steve Sarkisian is the joke of the NFL right now. His offense put up 34 points on Capers defense, with relative ease. How many chances are we going to continue to give Capers when it's clear that he can't coach anymore?
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Re: Game 7: Saints @ Packers 

Post#404 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:27 pm

The past few years, my favorite line has been "I can't wait until 2022 when Capers is asked to resign from the team."
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Re: Game 7: Saints @ Packers 

Post#405 » by Flames24Rulz » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:55 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:The past few years, my favorite line has been "I can't wait until 2022 when Capers is asked to resign from the team."


With as loyal as MM is, it's going to take Capers to retire for him to actually be replaced IMO. I'm partially surprised that Bob Sanders still isn't the DC.
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Re: Game 7: Saints @ Packers 

Post#406 » by dools644 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:09 pm

Coach Capers in 50 years.

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Re: Game 7: Saints @ Packers 

Post#407 » by Profound23 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:36 pm

dools644 wrote:Coach Capers in 50 years.

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Yawning as usual. I swear every time the camera pans to him during a game he is yawning.
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Re: Game 7: Saints @ Packers 

Post#408 » by thomchatt3rton » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:49 pm

JayMKE wrote:I don't think Hundley is going to cut it


I think it's hard to say still. He doesn't have a deep ball, that's for damn sure.

But I'm not sure the issues we had yesterday were on him. The offense just seemed out of whack in all kinds of ways- not just Hundley.
I really expected a very different game plan from MM- I expected to see the offense look like it did the times Flynn had to start for us in the past (a lot of quick out-routes basically) but I'm not even sure what we were trying to do yesterday. So much just didn't make any sense.
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Re: Game 7: Saints @ Packers 

Post#409 » by CWoodfan » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:59 pm

Those wanting Dom Capers gone are ignoring the McCarthy elephant in the room.

For McCarthy to fire Capers now would to tacitly concede what so many Packer fans have been arguing for years, Dom is not up to the task.

And all that would do is add fuel to the fire of the ever-growing ranks that McCarthy has only looked good because of his first-ballot hall of fame QB.

McCarthy is stubborn and loyal to a fault, so expect to see Capers coordinating the Packers defense until Dom himself decides it is time to retire.

Sad situation in Green Bay.
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Re: Game 7: Saints @ Packers 

Post#412 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:22 pm

Amen on King. Nothing bothers me more watching football than stupidity/nonchalance.

A slant/post is thrown that is caught on King for 8 yards and the WR (I think it was Thomas) goes to the ground to make the catch. Fine. But King just jogs past him on the ground as if the play is over. WR crawls for 3 more yards and a first down before HHCD who actually understands the rules of the game gets to him to get him down. Reminded me of Perry walking with a live football with 0 on the clock in Dallas.

A few plays later (the 47 yard play mentioned in the tweets), Ginn beats King. King basically stops and jogs for a few seconds probably thinking whichever safety is there might make the play. Ginn then cruises through the middle of the secondary for 35 more yards.

Getting burned on the double move at the end of the drive was the least of my concerns. That'll happen to a rook.
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Re: Game 7: Saints @ Packers 

Post#413 » by rilamann » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:08 pm

CWoodfan wrote:
McCarthy is stubborn and loyal to a fault, so expect to see Capers coordinating the Packers defense until Dom himself decides it is time to retire.

Sad situation in Green Bay.


One of the worst traits you can have as a football coach is stubbornness, to be successful you have to be able to make adjustments and adapt.Yet for 90% of football coaches at pretty much every level, stubbornness is their defining trait,it's odd.Mike McCarthy could be the poster boy for this.

But yeah, this franchise is a mess, I've been saying for a few years now that the Packers are basically the NFL version of the Herb Kohl era Bucks.It's just not obvious to a lot of people because we have Aaron Rodgers.
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Re: Game 7: Saints @ Packers 

Post#414 » by El Duderino » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:34 pm

rilamann wrote:
CWoodfan wrote:
McCarthy is stubborn and loyal to a fault, so expect to see Capers coordinating the Packers defense until Dom himself decides it is time to retire.

Sad situation in Green Bay.


One of the worst traits you can have as a football coach is stubbornness, to be successful you have to be able to make adjustments and adapt.Yet for 90% of football coaches at pretty much every level, stubbornness is their defining trait,it's odd.Mike McCarthy could be the poster boy for this.


It starts at the top, Ted Thompson is equally stubborn in team building. He is the only one who can replace McCarthy, but Ted likes the comfort level that McCarthy provides by being so fully on board with how Ted goes about things.

Even when it comes to Capers, yea head coaches generally get to pick who is on their staff, but Ted has as much authority as any GM in football. He could have for years now said to McCarthy, hey you can have your own staff for the most part, but when it comes to the defense, we simply have to try someone else at defensive coordinator. At some point Ted has to either agree that most of the high picks he's spent on the defense aren't nearly as good as he hoped or if he thinks those players are better than the results, then Capers should have to go.

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