TankWilson wrote:El Duderino wrote:
I'll give you Lacy had some solid years, but Rogers was just a spare part who had to play a lot mainly because the TE stable overall was so bare.
Datone Jones was a bust for a first round pick. I hope i'm wrong, but i don't see the same belief you have in Spriggs being a solid back up tackle and i'm pretty certain that Ted didn't draft Spriggs in the 2nd round hoping he might just be a decent back up at best.
Barring McCarthy doing magic with Kizer, i don't see him as a promising back up QB which Randall fetched. Kizer looks like many other big arm low quarterback IQ guys who can't cut it in the NFL because he can't read defenses and accurately throw the ball.
It is true that the jury is still out on Josh Jones and Montravious Adams.
For whatever reason, Ted was much much better at drafting offense compared to defense. Whether it was Jerel Worthy, Thornton, Randall, Rollins, Datone Jones, Fackrell, Biegel, etc, way to often Ted whiffed on defensive picks and it left the defense largely devoid of playmakers, wasting years of Aaron Rodgers led very productive offenses.
Kizer is still only 22, he could be a decent starter in 2 years and it wouldn't be that shocking. Spriggs I think will show this year (if bulaga out) he's a steady starting right tackle. Also you're cherry picking all his bad picks, he made great ones too. He had horrible luck with nick collins (clearly not his fault) but made a great pick. Raji a very good pick, unlucky he didn't last a little longer. Matthews a great trade up for, shields he found off scrap heap but got unlucky with injuries. Kenny clark and daniels are quality, TT clearly was not perfect but he was very far from bad.
I think it was the time to make the move and love gute but its asinine to not claim TT was a solid GM. He aquired enough talent, his mistake it looks like was not turning over the coaching staff. He made great picks with guys like heyward and hyde. Id argue coaches didn;t put them in spots to succeed enough heyward especially. Therefore TT grades him expendable but when used right hes a top 3 CB on the OUTSIDE in the game. We only used him slot mostly here. Gute is the guy for job now but im happy TT is still there to help him when needed.
No question Ted was a fabulous overall GM early in his tenure. He turned a bad team into a Super Bowl winner and drafting Aaron Rodgers kept the Packers at least good for a decade now.
It was after that amazing early success he had though where Ted started to slip quite a bit, especially at building defenses. It's not debatable. The whiffs far outweighed the hits.
On offense it was another story. Ted regularly hit on quality offensive lineman in the middle rounds. He landed Sitton, Lang, and Bakhtiari, all with 4th round picks. Corey Linsley in the 5th. That's fabulous drafting. His success drafting receivers has been great. Landing Williams/Jones last year at RB in the 4th/5th rounds was nice.
Lack of competent defenses though, it''s easily the biggest reason why only one Super Bowl appearance with HOF Rodgers at QB. Some will blame Capers and/or McCarthy a lot for that, but those weren't talented defenses and besides that, Ted had full authority over everything. He could have changed the head coach or at the very least, made McCarthy get rid of Capers years ago.
