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Flames24Rulz · Post #541 » by **Flames24Rulz** » Mon Oct 8, 2018 4:28 pm

Yeah, about the only good thing to come from yesterday's game was that MVS & EQSB both looked like actual players. And by actual players, I mean not Jared Abbrederis or Jeff Janis.

rilamann · Post #542 » by **rilamann** » Mon Oct 8, 2018 4:29 pm

humanrefutation wrote:
rilamann wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:I think they're fine at WR. You're not going to have a lot of good receivers as your fourth and fifth backup - really, your sixth and seventh option in a healthy core when you have at least a TE and a RB out there, too. Most teams are going to roll with young players, and I like our young guys.

The scheme is more disconcerting to me.

In the Favre and Rodgers years combined, this is probably the worst our WR situation has ever been. Adams is legit and Cobb is decent, but it's all scrubs after that.

That said, the Packers should still be better in the red zone with Aaron Rodgers at QB . You still have guys like Jones, Graham and Adams on the roster.

With everyone healthy? I think you're forgetting our 2016 season when our receiving corp consisted of Randall Cobb, James Jones, Jared Abbrederis, Jeff Janis, and Richard Rodgers. That was a **** joke.

I think Allison is legit and I really have high hopes for MVS and ESB. Moore hasn't shown anything yet, but it's still early.

I think Allison is a practice squad guy who makes plays sometimes because he has Aaron Rodgers throwing him the ball.

The Packer's WR situation as a whole right now is an abortion.

2016 Didn't have current Adams, but it had more depth.

Post #543 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Oct 8, 2018 4:37 pm

rilamann wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:
rilamann wrote:
In the Favre and Rodgers years combined, this is probably the worst our WR situation has ever been. Adams is legit and Cobb is decent, but it's all scrubs after that.

That said, the Packers should still be better in the red zone with Aaron Rodgers at QB . You still have guys like Jones, Graham and Adams on the roster.

With everyone healthy? I think you're forgetting our 2016 season when our receiving corp consisted of Randall Cobb, James Jones, Jared Abbrederis, Jeff Janis, and Richard Rodgers. That was a **** joke.

I think Allison is legit and I really have high hopes for MVS and ESB. Moore hasn't shown anything yet, but it's still early.

I think Allison is a practice squad guy who makes plays sometimes because he has Aaron Rodgers throwing him the ball.

The Packer's WR situation as a whole right now is an abortion.

2016 Didn't have current Adams, but it had more depth.

LOL, you call Abby and Janis depth? That receiving corp was so bad they had to get the corpse of James Jones off the street to come in. They had a playoff game where Janis and Abby were their #1 and #2 receivers. Richard Rodgers made two great catches in his career and was a whole lot of useless otherwise.

Flames24Rulz · Post #544 » by **Flames24Rulz** » Mon Oct 8, 2018 4:55 pm

2015, but yeah. That WR group was absolutely terrible compared to this set.

trwi7 · Post #545 » by **trwi7** » Mon Oct 8, 2018 5:11 pm

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Lippo · Post #546 » by **Lippo** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 2:48 am

rilamann wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:I think they're fine at WR. You're not going to have a lot of good receivers as your fourth and fifth backup - really, your sixth and seventh option in a healthy core when you have at least a TE and a RB out there, too. Most teams are going to roll with young players, and I like our young guys.

The scheme is more disconcerting to me.

In the Favre and Rodgers years combined, this is probably the worst our WR situation has ever been. Adams is legit and Cobb is decent, but it's all scrubs after that.

That said, the Packers should still be better in the red zone with Aaron Rodgers at QB . You still have guys like Jones, Graham and Adams on the roster.

Farve was throwing to Bill Schroeder as a #2 for 2-3 years, He made the equivalent of a Jeff Janis into a 1000 yard receiver w/ 9 TDs...just dont throw timing/option routes to these guys, use their strengths, size and athletic ability....
He also had plenty of games with #2 WRs like Query, Biebe and Lee.

CWoodfan · Post #547 » by **CWoodfan** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 3:58 am

Watching some of the other NFL "offensive minds" makes the Packers pathetic offensive play that much more painful.

I don't think this season is going to end well for Mike McCarthy.

HKPackFan · Post #548 » by **HKPackFan** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 5:55 am

Lippo wrote:
rilamann wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:I think they're fine at WR. You're not going to have a lot of good receivers as your fourth and fifth backup - really, your sixth and seventh option in a healthy core when you have at least a TE and a RB out there, too. Most teams are going to roll with young players, and I like our young guys.

The scheme is more disconcerting to me.

In the Favre and Rodgers years combined, this is probably the worst our WR situation has ever been. Adams is legit and Cobb is decent, but it's all scrubs after that.

That said, the Packers should still be better in the red zone with Aaron Rodgers at QB . You still have guys like Jones, Graham and Adams on the roster.

Farve was throwing to Bill Schroeder as a #2 for 2-3 years, He made the equivalent of a Jeff Janis into a 1000 yard receiver w/ 9 TDs...just dont throw timing/option routes to these guys, use their strengths, size and athletic ability....
He also had plenty of games with #2 WRs like Query, Biebe and Lee.

Yes the Bill Schroeder era was a low point in the history of the GB packers WR position (of the modern era). The Janis, Abby, RR group was also pretty awful. Tough call. Definitely two of the worst.

RRyder823 · Post #549 » by **RRyder823** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 6:12 am

HKPackFan wrote:
Lippo wrote:
rilamann wrote:
In the Favre and Rodgers years combined, this is probably the worst our WR situation has ever been. Adams is legit and Cobb is decent, but it's all scrubs after that.

That said, the Packers should still be better in the red zone with Aaron Rodgers at QB . You still have guys like Jones, Graham and Adams on the roster.

Farve was throwing to Bill Schroeder as a #2 for 2-3 years, He made the equivalent of a Jeff Janis into a 1000 yard receiver w/ 9 TDs...just dont throw timing/option routes to these guys, use their strengths, size and athletic ability....
He also had plenty of games with #2 WRs like Query, Biebe and Lee.

Yes the Bill Schroeder era was a low point in the history of the GB packers WR position (of the modern era). The Janis, Abby, RR group was also pretty awful. Tough call. Definitely two of the worst.

The Schroeder era was easily worse despite him having been a MUCH better receiver then Janis and Abby ever hoped to be.

At least Janis and Abby becoming starters was dependent on Jordy tearing up his knee, Adam's regressing for a year and then finally kept out of action due to injury, Cobb breaking a bone and Jones both getting hurt and not being able to run anymore...... With the Schroeder era they went INTO the season with him as the starter and everyone healthy

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HKPackFan · Post #550 » by **HKPackFan** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 8:33 am

RRyder823 wrote:
HKPackFan wrote:
Lippo wrote:
Farve was throwing to Bill Schroeder as a #2 for 2-3 years, He made the equivalent of a Jeff Janis into a 1000 yard receiver w/ 9 TDs...just dont throw timing/option routes to these guys, use their strengths, size and athletic ability....
He also had plenty of games with #2 WRs like Query, Biebe and Lee.

Yes the Bill Schroeder era was a low point in the history of the GB packers WR position (of the modern era). The Janis, Abby, RR group was also pretty awful. Tough call. Definitely two of the worst.
The Schroeder era was easily worse despite him having been a MUCH better receiver then Janis and Abby ever hoped to be.

At least Janis and Abby becoming starters was dependent on Jordy tearing up his knee, Adam's regressing for a year and then finally kept out of action due to injury, Cobb breaking a bone and Jones both getting hurt and not being able to run anymore...... With the Schroeder era they went INTO the season with him as the starter and everyone healthy

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Well said. One was due to attrition, and one was....This guy can be our starter.... :lol:

James1980 · Post #551 » by **James1980** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 7:55 pm

lds102 wrote:This team is weak on talent, the stench of having Ted 3 years to long when he looked like he had a stroke 3 years ago. Poor GM.He got lucky Rodgers fell in his lap at pick 24. Another big day TJ Watt

TJ Watt would be huge for this defense and I wanted him on draft night too.

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BUCKnation · Post #552 » by **BUCKnation** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 9:49 pm

You guys are really overrating TJ Watt. Sure, he'd help, but he isn't a pro-bowler or anything.

dbrodz7 · Post #553 » by **dbrodz7** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 9:56 pm

BUCKnation wrote:You guys are really overrating TJ Watt. Sure, he'd help, but he isn't a pro-bowler or anything.

I mean he has 6 sacks and 28 total tackles so far this year in 5 games. That's a 90 tackle and 19 sack pace, which would make him one of the best defensive players in the league. I think people have a valid gripe bitching that he's not a Packer.

rilamann · Post #554 » by **rilamann** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 10:01 pm

Flames24Rulz wrote:2015, but yeah. That WR group was absolutely terrible compared to this set.

Yeah, he must have meant 2015 and not 2016, 2015 you could make a case for being worse than current. It's kind of a dumb argument though, to argue over which WR group was worse when they were both abortions.

Adams is a legit pro bowl caliber WR and Cobb is solid, Cobb would be an ideal #3 or #4 guy right now. Problem is Cobb is our #2 guy and the gap between him and #3 is mammoth.

Alison is our #3 guy and he's terrible. Yeah, he makes plays on occasion because he has Rodgers throwing him the ball and he's on the field a lot. Hell, I could make some plays if I played as many snaps as Alison and had Rodgers throwing me the ball....lol.

And Packer fans think he's good because, well, he's a Packer. Packer fans who think Alison is good would be calling him a scrub quicker than I am right now if he played for a different team.

The other guys are young, but they haven't shown to be capable of anything more than making the occasional unspectacular play because Rodgers is throwing them the ball. The one guy I actually liked not named Adams or Cobb was Kumerow. I think he would have been a solid upgrade over Alison as the #3 guy.

All that said, the Packers offense should still be better in the red zone than what it is right now. Problem is, 2 of our best weapons are a RB (Jones) and a TE (Graham) and we have a head coach who has absolutely no clue how to properly utilize a running game or a TE.

And boy, does it show.

Rodgers/Graham/Jones/Adams should be killing it in the red zone right now. Again, I present to you, NFL coaching titan, Mike McCarthy.

rilamann · Post #555 » by **rilamann** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 10:30 pm

You know you're on a Green Bay Packers message board when TJ Watt gets called overrated and Geronimo Allison gets called legit on the same page.....lol.

Although if anyone other than a Packer fan called TJ Watt overrated. I would assume they were being sarcastic. He's the only guy right now that looks like he might make Khalil Mack sweat for DPOY.

Post #556 » by **MickeyDavis** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 10:45 pm

TJ is doing what good players do. Making a nice improvement from season 1 to season 2. He's most certainly a Pro Bowler.

RRyder823 · Post #557 » by **RRyder823** » Tue Oct 9, 2018 11:11 pm

dbrodz7 wrote:
BUCKnation wrote:You guys are really overrating TJ Watt. Sure, he'd help, but he isn't a pro-bowler or anything.

I mean he has 6 sacks and 28 total tackles so far this year in 5 games. That's a 90 tackle and 19 sack pace, which would make him one of the best defensive players in the league. I think people have a valid gripe bitching that he's not a Packer.

I'd accept it more as a valid gripe if people weren't in meltdown mode the year before when Clark was selected over Jack

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James1980 · Post #558 » by **James1980** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:46 am

Pro-bowler or not, he has 6 sacks and our 2 starting OLBs have 2 combined.

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BUCKnation · Post #559 » by **BUCKnation** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:59 am

He has 6 sacks, all coming within 2 games. Fackrell even got 3 sacks in a game. He's been getting really exposed in coverage as he makes AJ Hawk look like Kuechly in space. PFF can be flawed but he has the same ranking as Perry this season...

Like I said, he'd surely help but he's not pro bowl level currently.

If we are going to be upset about that draft, I'd be more upset about taking Josh Jones over Juju or Kamara in the 2nd.

RubberSoul · Post #560 » by **RubberSoul** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:47 am

BUCKnation wrote:He has 6 sacks, all coming within 2 games. Fackrell even got 3 sacks in a game. He's been getting really exposed in coverage as he makes AJ Hawk look like Kuechly in space. PFF can be flawed but he has the same ranking as Perry this season...

Like I said, he'd surely help but he's not pro bowl level currently.

If we are going to be upset about that draft, I'd be more upset about taking Josh Jones over Juju or Kamara in the 2nd.

Good point Jones looking like a complete bust hurts a lot. That’s such a high pick to get nothing out of.

The good news is had we drafted Kamara nobody would know who he is because McCarthy wouldn’t use him or know how to use him anyways.