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[Mags FTW]

This season, the Badgers have suffered some of the worst losses this program has had since Barry was hired as HC. Losing at home to mediocre teams like BYU and Minnesota. Unacceptable.

I think that it’s no coincidence that Horni is also one of the worst QBs the program has had since Barry.

You can’t have play that poor at a position that important.

[MAC1987]

Just get Taylor on the field and Groshek on the **** bench.

I dont get this comment. Taylor cant play every down and Groshek is no scrub. He runs hard and has been just fine.

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[humanrefutation]

This season, the Badgers have suffered some of the worst losses this program has had since Barry was hired as HC. Losing at home to mediocre teams like BYU and Minnesota. Unacceptable.

I think that it’s no coincidence that Horni is also one of the worst QBs the program has had since Barry.

You can’t have play that poor at a position that important.

Yup. And that's on Chryst. He's had three years to develop Hornibrook and he still makes freshman mistakes.

[midranger]

This season, the Badgers have suffered some of the worst losses this program has had since Barry was hired as HC. Losing at home to mediocre teams like BYU and Minnesota. Unacceptable.

I think that it’s no coincidence that Horni is also one of the worst QBs the program has had since Barry.

You can’t have play that poor at a position that important.

Yup. And that's on Chryst. He's had three years to develop Hornibrook and he still makes freshman mistakes.

All empiric evidence points to Chryst being an absolutely terrible recruiter/developer of quarterbacks.

[humanrefutation]

I think that it’s no coincidence that Horni is also one of the worst QBs the program has had since Barry.

You can’t have play that poor at a position that important.

Yup. And that's on Chryst. He's had three years to develop Hornibrook and he still makes freshman mistakes.

All empiric evidence points to Chryst being an absolutely terrible recruiter/developer of quarterbacks.

Limited sample size, but it's a chicken-or-egg scenario. Is he recruiting **** QBs, or does he fail to develop competent QBs? It could be both, I suppose.

Also, the media can probably cool the Jim Leonhard hype. I'm not going to bash him too much because injuries hurt them, but he hasn't proven he can recruit and develop his own talent yet. We won't know that for another couple years, IMO.

[midranger]

I'm not sure the sample size is all too limited. He's recruited probably what 10 QBs to UW since Tolzien. They've been various shades of awful. Stave has been the best of the bunch and Chryst wasn't here for his development.

[midranger]

Dustin Sherer
Scott Tolzien
James Stallons
Curt Phillips
Jon Budmayr
Joe Brennan
Joel Stave
Alex Hornibrook
Kare Lyles
Jack Coan
Chase Wolf

I believe that's the list

[ReasonablySober]

You can argue Chryst vs the previous regimes all you want, but the bottom line is only once in my lifetime have the Badgers had a QB were you thought you had a strategic advantage with him on the field consistently, and he was a grad transfer. Wisconsin is **** awful at attracting quality QBs in relation to their consistent status as a top 15-ish program.

[Kerb Hohl]

As an optimist you can look to the top of that list and remember that we had Dustin Sherer at QB and after that we had Gary Andersen + some injuries/coaching changes with QB and had a sustained decade of exellence. We’ll be back. That sucked, and Hornibrook is once again garbage instead of the “he’s decent” that I always pump him up to be.

[midranger]

I'll continue to harp on the dumb luck concept. I'm not sure what the odds are on bringing in so many really bad college QBs in a row, but we seem to be defying them.

[Kerb Hohl]

You can argue Chryst vs the previous regimes all you want, but the bottom line is only once in my lifetime have the Badgers had a QB were you thought you had a strategic advantage with him on the field consistently, and he was a grad transfer. Wisconsin is **** awful at attracting quality QBs in relation to their consistent status as a top 15-ish program.

There are a handful of perennial top 15-20 teams located in QB hotbeds that have arguably done worse of late. College QBs, especially in the Midwest, suck. The Badgers are 1000+ miles away from 90+% of D1 QBs.

They can do better than Stave and Horni, won’t get an argument here. Let’s hope it’s Mertz.

[MickeyDavis]

This is the first year of all Chryst recruits I believe

[Mags FTW]

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[midranger]

This is the first year of all Chryst recruits I believe

Nope.

The entire 2014 class and most of 2015 committed while Ger was here. The only late 2015 additions that Chryst brought were Horni and Ingold, IIRC.

The list of guys who committed to Ger includes; 2014: Deal, Dixon, Deiter, Gags, B. Benzschawel, TJ Edwards, Neuville, 2015: Olive, Dietzen, Penniston, David Edwards, Baun, Orr, Pfaff.

[HaroldinGMinor]

How many B1G teams have had at least 2 QB's drafted in the last decade? Iowa, MSU, and Northwestern come to mind but there might be one or two more. And of all those QB's only Kirk Cousins has really done anything. B1G just doesn't get QB recruits. I would think UW would be able to compete with at least Iowa for QB talent.

[Mags FTW]

Maybe start looking harder at JUCOs?

[Kerb Hohl]

How many B1G teams have had at least 2 QB's drafted in the last decade? Iowa, MSU, and Northwestern come to mind but there might be one or two more. And of all those QB's only Kirk Cousins has really done anything. B1G just doesn't get QB recruits. I would think UW would be able to compete with at least Iowa for QB talent.

And Iowa’s current QB might be playing for the Badgers if not for Gar not recruiting him hard/coaching change. Stanley was arguably not better than Hornibrook until this year where he is now resoundingly better...but he’s got way better arm strength/mobility.

I’m not trying to make a defensive cop out but there aren’t many QBs in the Big 10 geography and the Badgers in some senses have chosen a non-QB-friendly offense on top of it...it’s what has made them top 15 every year but also precludes them from top QBs deciding to leave their native state at times.

Mertz is a consensus good recruit so hopefully we won’t have to worry about this for 3-4 seasons and they can develop other guys during that timeframe for the future.

[Kerb Hohl]

Maybe start looking harder at JUCOs?

Chryst doesn’t seem like the type to basically tell Horni and Coan to take a hike, because that’s what probably would have to happen for any grad transfer/juco to want to come to Madison. If I’m a high profile transfer/juco, I’m not going to a place with 2 B10 “average” QBs that are experienced + Mertz knocking at the door.

For next year, it’s not national championship-type inspiring but Coan/Horni is not terrible. If Horni plays closer to 2017 level they can win 10 games. Coan started coming around at the end.

I doubt there are a ton of grad transfers/jucos that are going to offer you a surefire upgrade over those 2 or maybe true freshman Mertz if he’s truly that good.

After that, it’s Mertz.

[mnstinks]

How many B1G teams have had at least 2 QB's drafted in the last decade? Iowa, MSU, and Northwestern come to mind but there might be one or two more. And of all those QB's only Kirk Cousins has really done anything. B1G just doesn't get QB recruits. I would think UW would be able to compete with at least Iowa for QB talent.

Michigan has had a horrible decade by their standards and have had 3 from 2008 to 2018

[Kerb Hohl]

How many B1G teams have had at least 2 QB's drafted in the last decade? Iowa, MSU, and Northwestern come to mind but there might be one or two more. And of all those QB's only Kirk Cousins has really done anything. B1G just doesn't get QB recruits. I would think UW would be able to compete with at least Iowa for QB talent.

Michigan has had a horrible decade by their standards and have had 3 from 2008 to 2018

That’s true, though Robinson was a RB/WR right away in the pros. Effective in college for sure, though. They got one OK grad transfer year out of Rudock and Henne was 2008.

I’d take the Badgers QB situation over the past decade for whatever that’s worth but it’s close.

Completely spitballing without thinking here, since 2008 I’d probably rank the QB schools for the BIG:

OSU
MSU
PSU
NW
Wisconsin/Iowa
Michigan
Indiana
Don’t really know or care beyond that

That’s more of a college ranking than what they did in the pros. Would probably move MSU to #1 if pro was weighted more.