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Re: Cardinals Lead Up 

Post#41 » by MickeyDavis » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:16 pm

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trwi7 wrote:Murphy ftl.

The best reason to allow Gutekunst to make the decision on his own is that Murphy let McCarthy dictate who his boss would be when Thompson was removed from his position. Murphy wanted to hire a true general manager, but McCarthy, according to a source, told his coaches that he would quit if Murphy hired Ball in that capacity, so Murphy changed his mind and created the new structure.

Murphy could have called McCarthy’s bluff and reminded him he had a contract and wasn’t going anywhere, so he’d have to accept that the new general manager had complete hiring and firing authority. Instead, he created an ill-conceived structure in which everyone reported to him instead of the general manager.

That move showed he may not have the guts to fire McCarthy, if that’s what is necessary.


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I know I’m a little later here but help me. A “true” GM was Ball and not Guty? Or he’s saying a true GM in the sense of hiring or firing? In one way we dodged a bullet by him hiring Guty but that’s so f upped that he was going to hire Ball as the guy. His last three drafts aren’t good, and yes I believe he had a heavy hand in them.


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Yeah that's kind of weird. Did Ball say he'd take the job only if MM reported to him? The whole structure seems weird but 17 other teams do it the same way. Both the GM and coach report to the owner (in our case Prez)
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Re: Cardinals Lead Up 

Post#42 » by humanrefutation » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:41 pm

LittleRooster wrote:
trwi7 wrote:Murphy ftl.

The best reason to allow Gutekunst to make the decision on his own is that Murphy let McCarthy dictate who his boss would be when Thompson was removed from his position. Murphy wanted to hire a true general manager, but McCarthy, according to a source, told his coaches that he would quit if Murphy hired Ball in that capacity, so Murphy changed his mind and created the new structure.

Murphy could have called McCarthy’s bluff and reminded him he had a contract and wasn’t going anywhere, so he’d have to accept that the new general manager had complete hiring and firing authority. Instead, he created an ill-conceived structure in which everyone reported to him instead of the general manager.

That move showed he may not have the guts to fire McCarthy, if that’s what is necessary.


https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/11/27/silverstein-future-packers-mccarthy-should-gutekunsts-call/2126851002/


I know I’m a little later here but help me. A “true” GM was Ball and not Guty? Or he’s saying a true GM in the sense of hiring or firing? In one way we dodged a bullet by him hiring Guty but that’s so f upped that he was going to hire Ball as the guy. His last three drafts aren’t good, and yes I believe he had a heavy hand in them.


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I took that to mean that Murphy wanted to maintain a structure where the GM was totally in charge of football operations as it was under Wolf, Sherman, and Thompson. He was going to give that title to Ball, but Mac threatened to quit. So Murphy decided to establish this triumvate structure where Ball manages the money, Gute manages player personnel, and Mac is the head coach. They all report to Murphy directly.
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Re: Cardinals Lead Up 

Post#43 » by LittleRooster » Sat Dec 1, 2018 12:20 am

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I know I’m a little later here but help me. A “true” GM was Ball and not Guty? Or he’s saying a true GM in the sense of hiring or firing? In one way we dodged a bullet by him hiring Guty but that’s so f upped that he was going to hire Ball as the guy. His last three drafts aren’t good, and yes I believe he had a heavy hand in them.


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I took that to mean that Murphy wanted to maintain a structure where the GM was totally in charge of football operations as it was under Wolf, Sherman, and Thompson. He was going to give that title to Ball, but Mac threatened to quit. So Murphy decided to establish this triumvate structure where Ball manages the money, Gute manages player personnel, and Mac is the head coach. They all report to Murphy directly.


So that’s even more concerning is that he was going to hire Ball as the guy. I mean of all the talent he could have hired he was going to choose Ball? Get this guy out ASAP. So frustrating


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Re: Cardinals Lead Up 

Post#44 » by humanrefutation » Sat Dec 1, 2018 12:26 am

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LittleRooster wrote:
I know I’m a little later here but help me. A “true” GM was Ball and not Guty? Or he’s saying a true GM in the sense of hiring or firing? In one way we dodged a bullet by him hiring Guty but that’s so f upped that he was going to hire Ball as the guy. His last three drafts aren’t good, and yes I believe he had a heavy hand in them.


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I took that to mean that Murphy wanted to maintain a structure where the GM was totally in charge of football operations as it was under Wolf, Sherman, and Thompson. He was going to give that title to Ball, but Mac threatened to quit. So Murphy decided to establish this triumvate structure where Ball manages the money, Gute manages player personnel, and Mac is the head coach. They all report to Murphy directly.


So that’s even more concerning is that he was going to hire Ball as the guy. I mean of all the talent he could have hired he was going to choose Ball? Get this guy out ASAP. So frustrating


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Ball was tight with TT. Plus, his contract management experience and negotiation skills are well-regarded. But Gute has the player personnel background.
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Post#45 » by Reddeye » Sat Dec 1, 2018 8:39 pm

Packers activated WR Jake Kumerow from injured reserve.
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Re: Cardinals Lead Up - Daniels to IR 

Post#46 » by humanrefutation » Sat Dec 1, 2018 9:34 pm

Daniels to IR.
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Re: Cardinals Lead Up - Daniels to IR 

Post#47 » by bizarro » Sun Dec 2, 2018 2:51 am

KUMERRRRRRROOWWWWWWWW! Season saved.
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Re: Cardinals Lead Up - Daniels to IR 

Post#48 » by msiris » Sun Dec 2, 2018 5:43 am

Tank please. Swallow your pride.
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