ATL Week 14

[rilamann]

A fan just called in and said he wants to give up the Vikings 1st round pick to get Case Kennum back...lol

[MickeyDavis]

Joe Thomas lol

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[Mags FTW]

Joe Thomas lol

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It’s true. People were slobbering over his stats earlier this year when he was gifted tons of extra yards after the Clay penalty. Then he had entire garbage time 4th quarters against Buffalo and the Saints, followed by time-eating drives late against the Bears.

He’s full of phantom stats.

[MickeyDavis]

Yup. just like Stafford

[Ron Swanson]

I'm absolutely stunned that making Kirk Cousins the highest paid QB in the league was a dumb idea.

Vikings still doing Vikings things.

[humanrefutation]

The Vikings spent $84M on a QB who is 4-24 in his career against teams above .500.

[Kerb Hohl]

So, going back here, I was always a Teddy guy so I think I'd have considered a 1-year deal to Teddy, but it's kinda an interesting topic of convo now.

What's your plan if you are the Vikings' GM coming into 2018?

If you go the draft route you risk getting fired and wasting a loaded roster. Keenum wasn't much better of an option. Trade for Alex Smith?

[Mags FTW]

So, going back here, I was always a Teddy guy so I think I'd have considered a 1-year deal to Teddy, but it's kinda an interesting topic of convo now.

What's your plan if you are the Vikings' GM coming into 2018?

If you go the draft route you risk getting fired and wasting a loaded roster. Keenum wasn't much better of an option. Trade for Alex Smith?

Vikes only have 8 mil in cap space, 3rd least in the league, and they’ll need most of it to sign their rookies.

There were rumblings on their post-game last night of cutting Griffen with the ascension of Hunter.

If they stand pat, they need a to focus the draft on OLine and getting a 3rd WR. Teams are just doubling Diggs and Thielen knowing Treadwell can’t hurt them.

Not that Cousins has been worth the money, but that offense has bigger problems.

[Kerb Hohl]

So, going back here, I was always a Teddy guy so I think I'd have considered a 1-year deal to Teddy, but it's kinda an interesting topic of convo now.

What's your plan if you are the Vikings' GM coming into 2018?

If you go the draft route you risk getting fired and wasting a loaded roster. Keenum wasn't much better of an option. Trade for Alex Smith?

Vikes only have 8 mil in cap space, 3rd least in the league, and they’ll need most of it to sign their rookies.

There were rumblings on their post-game last night of cutting Griffen with the ascension of Hunter.

If they stand pat, they need a to focus the draft on OLine and getting a 3rd WR. Teams are just doubling Diggs and Thielen knowing Treadwell can’t hurt them.

Not that Cousins has been worth the money, but that offense has bigger problems.

Yes, I'm talking about pre-2018. They needed to go big at QB and I'm not sure there was a right answer. This one gave them a higher ceiling if Cousins panned out but also carried the risk of forcing them to lose their supporting cast in 2019 and 2020.

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[neiLz]

So, going back here, I was always a Teddy guy so I think I'd have considered a 1-year deal to Teddy, but it's kinda an interesting topic of convo now.

What's your plan if you are the Vikings' GM coming into 2018?

If you go the draft route you risk getting fired and wasting a loaded roster. Keenum wasn't much better of an option. Trade for Alex Smith?

Vikes only have 8 mil in cap space, 3rd least in the league, and they’ll need most of it to sign their rookies.

There were rumblings on their post-game last night of cutting Griffen with the ascension of Hunter.

If they stand pat, they need a to focus the draft on OLine and getting a 3rd WR. Teams are just doubling Diggs and Thielen knowing Treadwell can’t hurt them.

Not that Cousins has been worth the money, but that offense has bigger problems.

Yes, I'm talking about pre-2018. They needed to go big at QB and I'm not sure there was a right answer. This one gave them a higher ceiling if Cousins panned out but also carried the risk of forcing them to lose their supporting cast in 2019 and 2020.

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Hindsight is definitely 20/20 but this blew up in their face big time. I personally thought cousins was neutral/small step up from keenum. I would have kept keenum at a third of the cost and spent that money to fix that **** O-line. There weren't many QB's out there except for teddy, alex smith, etc. OH well, kind of fun to watch another team blow their wad and suck!

[neiLz]

Meanwhile, the packers can possibly get to around 70+ mil with some cuts next year (graham, bulaga, tramon, etc.) If not they still have about 45 mil or so free'd up. can fix the team in one off season if done right.

[Kerb Hohl]

Hindsight is definitely 20/20 but this blew up in their face big time. I personally thought cousins was neutral/small step up from keenum. I would have kept keenum at a third of the cost and spent that money to fix that **** O-line. There weren't many QB's out there except for teddy, alex smith, etc. OH well, kind of fun to watch another team blow their wad and suck!

"A third of the cost" is not really true.

Yeah, you can franchise him for whatever it was, $19 million or something...but you only have him for a 1-year contract. And if you want to franchise him again after that he costs $19 million more.

His cost would've been about 70-80% of Cousins' for this year, yes. Is $8 million more to fix the o-line doable? Maybe? But then you have perceived inferior QB behind that o-line.

The guaranteed $ to Cousins is nearly 3x as much as Keenum, sure. But what are you paying Keenum or fill-in vet at QB in 2019 and 2020? Suddenly the number approaches that same $84 million if you're trying to be a competitive team unless you absolutely strike gold in the draft.

But given their roster, say you think Cousins is superior to Keenum (I think most people would've thought that prior to 2018 and still probably do) so you go with the superior option and tie yourself to the bigger number. If they don't do **** in the playoffs this year and struggle next year, then Cousins is an expensive backup in his final season while they are nuking their roster in 2020. That's basically the same path we'd see had they gone with Keenum except maybe they could either have signed someone else or kept Anothny Barr on a quarterback-less team in 2019 and 2020 and they still probably have to rebuild.

[Mags FTW]

So, going back here, I was always a Teddy guy so I think I'd have considered a 1-year deal to Teddy, but it's kinda an interesting topic of convo now.

What's your plan if you are the Vikings' GM coming into 2018?

If you go the draft route you risk getting fired and wasting a loaded roster. Keenum wasn't much better of an option. Trade for Alex Smith?

Vikes only have 8 mil in cap space, 3rd least in the league, and they’ll need most of it to sign their rookies.

There were rumblings on their post-game last night of cutting Griffen with the ascension of Hunter.

If they stand pat, they need a to focus the draft on OLine and getting a 3rd WR. Teams are just doubling Diggs and Thielen knowing Treadwell can’t hurt them.

Not that Cousins has been worth the money, but that offense has bigger problems.

Yes, I'm talking about pre-2018. They needed to go big at QB and I'm not sure there was a right answer. This one gave them a higher ceiling if Cousins panned out but also carried the risk of forcing them to lose their supporting cast in 2019 and 2020.

I would’ve tried to keep both Keemun and Teddy, but Teddy may have wanted a chance to start somewhere.

[Ron Swanson]

"Well they could be just as bad with the much cheaper guy they had last year so blowing their salary cap on a mediocre QB was still the right move"

-Mike Sando logic

[Kerb Hohl]

"Well they could be just as bad with the much cheaper guy they had last year so blowing their salary cap on a mediocre QB was still the right move"

-Mike Sando logic

No, there's logic to it. Everyone's getting hung up on the $84 million number. The Vikings' roster was such that they probably had a 3 year window to win. Everyone agreed that they had a good roster outside of QB. Was there a weakness like OL? Yes. But Super Bowl teams take risks on 1 weakness every year. A pessimist/hater that said the Vikings were overrated would be suggesting a rebuild and that wasn't gonna happen in the real world with the roster they had.

This team likely would have to spend $20 million or more on QB the next 3 years. Keenum + Teddy for 2018 costs $25 million. Did it work and you want to re-up? Gonna cost $25-30 million for 2019 and ditto for 2020. Did Keenum + Teddy perform like a dumpster fire? OK, well you have the choice of starting over at QB or trying to find the next Kirk Cousins or Keenum to dump $20+ million into for 2019/2020.

Are you suggesting that Case Keenum + $8 million to spend on their offensive line would make a marked difference? Sando is saying that they took the boldest risk. So far it has been a modest dud (Cousins has been "OK" but clearly not great) but can you honestly tell me that Case Keenum would be taking the team to soaring heights?

You're either suggesting that you know of a combination that would have done much better than Cousins (i.e. Keenum + something) or you are part of the ownership group and you're pissed about not being able to buy another yacht because they spent 10% more on a QB.