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Re: Preseason Game 3: Packers/Raiders - 7:00 

Post#221 » by RRyder823 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:48 am

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Frank Nova wrote:Yeah i saw that super vague tweet. I was hoping for a little better clarity than that. Just wondering how serious the injury is and if he's gonna miss any regular season games but I guess no one knows that yet...

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Ehhh. He kinda sucks anyways.

Really only being down a WR who might not make the roster anyways, two WILB that are probably worse options then two of our backup Safties to play in that spot and a rotational pass rusher at best isnt the worst spot to be in after 3 pre season games



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Wow.
Ehhh. It's not like I want him to be hurt. Just that we arent exactly missing a whole lot

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Re: Preseason Game 3: Packers/Raiders - 7:00 

Post#222 » by jimmybones » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:40 pm

Completely mind blowing to me that people can say Gary SUCKS from what they've seen in a few PRESEASON "games" despite all the positivity surrounding him in camp from multiple sources.

Wanting to see him flash in a preseason game is one thing, but not seeing a flashy play through roughly 5-6 quarters of preseason and using that to decide he SUCKS is just a reactionary and short sighted and **** people say in the comments section, you guys are better than that.

This front 7 should be good in large part because of talented depth and versatility. Losing a talented and versatile guy from that mix would suck badly. Not
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Re: Preseason Game 3: Packers/Raiders - 7:00 

Post#223 » by crkone » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:46 pm

jimmybones wrote:Completely mind blowing to me that people can say Gary SUCKS from what they've seen in a few PRESEASON "games" despite all the positivity surrounding him in camp from multiple sources.
And people glossing over the Packers coverage so far. Everything has been quick passes. The few times it's more than a quick drop he's a handlength from the QB. That's with working on his bull rush or speed mainly too.

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Re: Preseason Game 3: Packers/Raiders - 7:00 

Post#224 » by RRyder823 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:07 pm

jimmybones wrote:Completely mind blowing to me that people can say Gary SUCKS from what they've seen in a few PRESEASON "games" despite all the positivity surrounding him in camp from multiple sources.

Wanting to see him flash in a preseason game is one thing, but not seeing a flashy play through roughly 5-6 quarters of preseason and using that to decide he SUCKS is just a reactionary and short sighted and **** people say in the comments section, you guys are better than that.

This front 7 should be good in large part because of talented depth and versatility. Losing a talented and versatile guy from that mix would suck badly. Not


Can I decide he sucks because of his play at Michigan?

The positive reports from him in practice dont mean a whole lot to me. It's the exact same thing they said about him in college. He tests like Tarzan. Turns into Jane in games.

What you've seen so far is the exact same thing as what you saw at Michigan.

Sorry for not thinking the guy we drafted at 12 that cant make a single play or be in anyways disruptive against 3rd stringers in a game and half worth of football is any good.

(If he was a 5th round pick we would probably be discussing whether we could hide him on the PS for a year)

Hopefully he develops but for this year no hes not really any good



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Re: Preseason Game 3: Packers/Raiders - 7:00 

Post#225 » by jimmybones » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:11 pm

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jimmybones wrote:Completely mind blowing to me that people can say Gary SUCKS from what they've seen in a few PRESEASON "games" despite all the positivity surrounding him in camp from multiple sources.
And people glossing over the Packers coverage so far. Everything has been quick passes. The few times it's more than a quick drop he's a handlength from the QB. That's with working on his bull rush or speed mainly too.


Agreed. I've noticed in your breakdowns(great work by the way), mostly:

-a lot of quick release where no nfl player in history would make a sack, tells us nothing about him

-not flashy but doing his job, setting the edge, not exciting but still the right play in the circumstance

-a few rookie mistakes, understandable, rookie and in a new position, it happens

-and maybe a handful of actual rush attempts where he hasn't gotten there but looked OK.

Now here's the thing, I can understand wanting more than "OK" from the 12th overall pick. But, I feel like people are simplifying it down to black and white: has he produced sacks or flash plays? And they see no and decide that means something while seemingly ignoring the above context. That's just lazy to me and it seems like a lot of people have already determined he's no good and only something immediately flashy will change their mind and a lack of that is evidence to them.

It's just a massively small sample of meaningful reps(which I'd argue there have been zero because, preseason). It's like saying a baseball prospect SUCKS because he hasn't homered in his first 20 ABs of his career, in exhibition games. That's how small of a sample we're dealing with of actual rush attempts. Pointing that out though is considered making excuses for him here.
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Re: Preseason Game 3: Packers/Raiders - 7:00 

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Post#227 » by RRyder823 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:09 am

If the best compliment you can give a player is "Hes looked ok on a handful plays" after 3 preseason games where he hasnt lacked playing time against 2nd/3rd stringers along with guys that are about to be working at your local supermarket it's probably not the best sign.

I do love the small sample size argument though. Because this is totally not exactly what he showed at Michigan

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Post#228 » by sdn40 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:40 pm

RRyder823 wrote:If the best compliment you can give a player is "Hes looked ok on a handful plays" after 3 preseason games where he hasnt lacked playing time against 2nd/3rd stringers along with guys that are about to be working at your local supermarket it's probably not the best sign.

I do love the small sample size argument though. Because this is totally not exactly what he showed at Michigan

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This is totally exactly what he showed at Michigan. He didn't put up stats there either. It is well documented and one of the concerns in every draft profile written about the guy. And no, he wasn't double teamed on every snap. And no, he wasn't asked not to make plays. Dumbest argument ever created for guys accomplishing nothing. Sometimes a spade is a spade
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Re: Preseason Game 3: Packers/Raiders - 7:00 

Post#229 » by RRyder823 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:23 pm

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RRyder823 wrote:If the best compliment you can give a player is "Hes looked ok on a handful plays" after 3 preseason games where he hasnt lacked playing time against 2nd/3rd stringers along with guys that are about to be working at your local supermarket it's probably not the best sign.

I do love the small sample size argument though. Because this is totally not exactly what he showed at Michigan

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This is totally exactly what he showed at Michigan. He didn't put up stats there either. It is well documented and one of the concerns in every draft profile written about the guy. And no, he wasn't double teamed on every snap. And no, he wasn't asked not to make plays. Dumbest argument ever created for guys accomplishing nothing. Sometimes a spade is a spade


Should also be noted I never understood how that was ever a defense for him in favor of him as a high draft pick. Every single defensive player that plays in the trenches and is looked at as a high end guy in college sees countless double and triple teams.... The ones that are actually worthy of being highly drafted all fight their way through them. For Gary however it somehow became a legit excuse for some people



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Re: Preseason Game 3: Packers/Raiders - 7:00 

Post#230 » by RRyder823 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:27 pm

I'll also add that I still have hope that he can develop into a player with proper coaching in a year or two. The physical tools are there

I'm NOT saying hes a lost cause.

I'm just saying for THIS YEAR hes not a good football player yet. Hes not ok or average. Right now hes a guy if it wasnt for his draft position would be on the bubble

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