Game 11: Packers @ 49ers - 7:20PM CST (NBC)

[Kerb Hohl]

Rodgers, in his current form, will never win another SB (will even be somewhat surprising if he reaches one).

He's regressed considerably in reading defenses, timing, and the only things keeping him effective are his accuracy and ability to improvise against mediocre defenses.

True defensive contenders will take this away and the result will be an outing similar to last night.

I'm with you on the regression but Aaron is also just in the wrong spot.

Manning won one unable to throw the ball 15 yards and Brady is going to win 2-3 of them as a much worse QB than Rodgers.

Problems are: We've gone somewhat all-in but not all-the-way and our defense still is just mediocre instead of New England/Denver caliber.

Also, our division/conference situation sucks. The Vikings, Bears, and Lions have all traded off at least being relatively competitive to very good (Bears once every 5 years, Vikings 80% of seasons of late). There also seems to be a cycle of everyone but the Bucs and Lions in the NFC where there are 2-3 other dominant forces in the NFC due to well-run roster building.

So I agree that in our current state, Rodgers will never win one. If he traded places with Brady right now, he may win 3 or 4 by 2025.

Every **** year the Saturday ESPN playoff game is like the 7-9 Texans vs. the Raiders with Connor Cook or like the **** Titans. And then that winner goes to New England, who only had to beat the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills 6 times to guarantee the #1 seed. This year it felt maybe different and then Luck retired, Mahomes is hobbled, Big Ben got hurt, and Bill O'Brien's team underwhelmed yet again. All we've got is Lamar Jackson to maybe have a shot to win in Foxboro in the AFCCG.

[th87]

Rodgers, in his current form, will never win another SB (will even be somewhat surprising if he reaches one).

He's regressed considerably in reading defenses, timing, and the only things keeping him effective are his accuracy and ability to improvise against mediocre defenses.

True defensive contenders will take this away and the result will be an outing similar to last night.

I'm with you on the regression but Aaron is also just in the wrong spot.

Manning won one unable to throw the ball 15 yards and Brady is going to win 2-3 of them as a much worse QB than Rodgers.

Problems are: We've gone somewhat all-in but not all-the-way and our defense still is just mediocre instead of New England/Denver caliber.

Also, our division/conference situation sucks. The Vikings, Bears, and Lions have all traded off at least being relatively competitive to very good (Bears once every 5 years, Vikings 80% of seasons of late). There also seems to be a cycle of everyone but the Bucs and Lions in the NFC where there are 2-3 other dominant forces in the NFC due to well-run roster building.

So I agree that in our current state, Rodgers will never win one. If he traded places with Brady right now, he may win 3 or 4 by 2025.

Every **** year the Saturday ESPN playoff game is like the 7-9 Texans vs. the Raiders with Connor Cook or like the **** Titans. And then that winner goes to New England, who only had to beat the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills 6 times to guarantee the #1 seed. This year it felt maybe different and then Luck retired, Mahomes is hobbled, Big Ben got hurt, and Bill O'Brien's team underwhelmed yet again. All we've got is Lamar Jackson to maybe have a shot to win in Foxboro in the AFCCG.

Disagree that Brady is much worse. What he lacks in physical tools, he more than makes up for with feel for the game/moments.

The easier schedule is definitely a factor, but I'm still skeptical the Packers and Rodgers put together two good games in a row in the AFCCG and SB if there was a swap (sure, their divisional game would be easy, but the next two games would not be). Why? Because when was the last time we won two games in the playoffs against good teams?

[Kerb Hohl]

Rodgers, in his current form, will never win another SB (will even be somewhat surprising if he reaches one).

He's regressed considerably in reading defenses, timing, and the only things keeping him effective are his accuracy and ability to improvise against mediocre defenses.

True defensive contenders will take this away and the result will be an outing similar to last night.

I'm with you on the regression but Aaron is also just in the wrong spot.

Manning won one unable to throw the ball 15 yards and Brady is going to win 2-3 of them as a much worse QB than Rodgers.

Problems are: We've gone somewhat all-in but not all-the-way and our defense still is just mediocre instead of New England/Denver caliber.

Also, our division/conference situation sucks. The Vikings, Bears, and Lions have all traded off at least being relatively competitive to very good (Bears once every 5 years, Vikings 80% of seasons of late). There also seems to be a cycle of everyone but the Bucs and Lions in the NFC where there are 2-3 other dominant forces in the NFC due to well-run roster building.

So I agree that in our current state, Rodgers will never win one. If he traded places with Brady right now, he may win 3 or 4 by 2025.

Every **** year the Saturday ESPN playoff game is like the 7-9 Texans vs. the Raiders with Connor Cook or like the **** Titans. And then that winner goes to New England, who only had to beat the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills 6 times to guarantee the #1 seed. This year it felt maybe different and then Luck retired, Mahomes is hobbled, Big Ben got hurt, and Bill O'Brien's team underwhelmed yet again. All we've got is Lamar Jackson to maybe have a shot to win in Foxboro in the AFCCG.

Disagree that Brady is much worse. What he lacks in physical tools, he more than makes up for with feel for the game/moments.

The easier schedule is definitely a factor, but I'm still skeptical the Packers and Rodgers put together two good games in a row in the AFCCG and SB if there was a swap (sure, their divisional game would be easy, but the next two games would not be). Why? Because when was the last time we won two games in the playoffs against good teams?

Put Rodgers on last year’s Pats and you don’t think he could win with basically 1 drive at the end of both games and otherwise resting on defense/running the ball?

I didn’t really mean to make this an argument...my point is I agree with you that he’s not what he was before but with a better supporting cast and/or easier opponents/division, he’s still good enough to win Super Bowl(s).

[th87]

I'm with you on the regression but Aaron is also just in the wrong spot.

Manning won one unable to throw the ball 15 yards and Brady is going to win 2-3 of them as a much worse QB than Rodgers.

Problems are: We've gone somewhat all-in but not all-the-way and our defense still is just mediocre instead of New England/Denver caliber.

Also, our division/conference situation sucks. The Vikings, Bears, and Lions have all traded off at least being relatively competitive to very good (Bears once every 5 years, Vikings 80% of seasons of late). There also seems to be a cycle of everyone but the Bucs and Lions in the NFC where there are 2-3 other dominant forces in the NFC due to well-run roster building.

So I agree that in our current state, Rodgers will never win one. If he traded places with Brady right now, he may win 3 or 4 by 2025.

Every **** year the Saturday ESPN playoff game is like the 7-9 Texans vs. the Raiders with Connor Cook or like the **** Titans. And then that winner goes to New England, who only had to beat the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills 6 times to guarantee the #1 seed. This year it felt maybe different and then Luck retired, Mahomes is hobbled, Big Ben got hurt, and Bill O'Brien's team underwhelmed yet again. All we've got is Lamar Jackson to maybe have a shot to win in Foxboro in the AFCCG.

Disagree that Brady is much worse. What he lacks in physical tools, he more than makes up for with feel for the game/moments.

The easier schedule is definitely a factor, but I'm still skeptical the Packers and Rodgers put together two good games in a row in the AFCCG and SB if there was a swap (sure, their divisional game would be easy, but the next two games would not be). Why? Because when was the last time we won two games in the playoffs against good teams?

Put Rodgers on last year’s Pats and you don’t think he could win with basically 1 drive at the end of both games and otherwise resting on defense/running the ball?

I didn’t really mean to make this an argument...my point is I agree with you that he’s not what he was before but with a better supporting cast and/or easier opponents/division, he’s still good enough to win Super Bowl(s).

Rodgers on the Pats or the Packers in the AFC East?

No arguments from me though. I just don't think Rodgers himself can/will put together multiple "good enough" games against great defenses because of his sudden loss of feel (or maybe he was weak here, but was able to mask it with superior physical tools).

[RiotPunch]

[rilamann]

Back in 2008 I thought it was a big time positive that Aaron Rodgers was the type of QB who would throw the ball away or take a sack, instead of taking a chance at an interception. Now as I sit here in almost 2020 looking back on Aaron Rodgers' career, that might have been his biggest detriment. Rodgers' fear of being Brett Favre and throwing a pick probably cost the Packers a lot of big plays, in a lot of big games.