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Re: Game 13: Skins at Pack 

Post#101 » by FAH1223 » Mon Dec 9, 2019 6:01 am

kaulkhara15 wrote:It’s almost like this board forgets we haven’t been in the playoffs the last two seasons. Can we enjoy some success instead of constant negativity?


Everyone is just being honest that this team is not as good as its 10-3 record.

We have no WRs outside of #17.

Our TEs are subpar.

Our ILBs can't cover the middle of the field, a common trait since 2010.

And our young DBs give up a big play or two every single week.

On the positive side:

The QB is still good, not as good as he was 5 years ago, but still good.

OL has given 12 loads of time this year. Bulaga has been our best OL this year.

RBs are good and leading receivers this year, shows LaFleur is more innovative than MM. Williams though is too slow to be a game breaker like Jones is.

And of course the pass rush has been good all year.
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Re: Game 13: Skins at Pack 

Post#102 » by GBPackers47 » Mon Dec 9, 2019 6:59 pm

sdn40 wrote:
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You ARE literally refusing to list them, because you won't. And the reason is simple, There aren't any. Thanks for playing
Still litteraly not refusing. I referenced a stat. Not a catchphrase like signature win. Once again. A stat. Not an opinion

Btw since the Packers have been blown out EVERY time they've had a chance for a signature win (as you so eloquently said) then who between the Chargers and the Eagles could of been that signature win? Because otherwise you are just bitching about one game

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Referenced a stat ? Whatever dude. What you did do was go scan the schedule and realized this mystical stat was flat out wrong. Since 2012 the Packers are 17-26-1 against teams with a winning record. They are 5-23 on the road against winning teams. I already referenced the S.D. game and the Packers struggles against any team with a decent QB. Phllly pushed the Packers around. Today was a one score home win against a 3-10 team with a rookie statue for a Q.B. The Giants game was less than impressive. Oh, they are a rookie QB led 2-10 team. The Lions are 2-9-1. Dream of unicorns and rainbows if you wish, but don't act all surprised with another blowout loss in the playoffs. Just use your eyes and brain.


Who cares about since 2012? This isn't even the same team.

Just because you haven't had fun celebrating a Packers Super Bowl every year for the last decade doesn't mean the team this year is automatically going to get bounced Round 1 because we didn't beat the Giants and Redskins by three touchdowns. Sounds like something personal you just can't move on from.
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Re: Game 13: Skins at Pack 

Post#103 » by Flames24Rulz » Mon Dec 9, 2019 8:49 pm

It's funny being someone that lives in Illinois -- if the Bears were 10-3, everyone here would be absolutely losing their minds and booking hotels at wherever the Super Bowl is that year. Hell, last year when the Bears were 12-4, their offense looked like booty in the second half of the season, and most of their fans believed that if Parkey made the kick against the Eagles, that they were going to legitimately win the SB.

The Packers are 10-3, and almost everybody is saying how they're not a real contender, pointing out all of their flaws, etc. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. The offense has been great on the scripted drives to start the game, almost all season long. The problem is as soon as the scripted plays stop, there's zero rhythm in the offense. We had one three & out drive yesterday where we started at the Redskins 45, and didn't give the ball to Jones once. That can't happen. I don't think Kumerow is anything more than a guy, but he should absolutely be ahead of Allison on the depth chart. And has anybody seen MVS over the last month? What a disappointment he's turned out to be.

I was encouraged to hear MLF say that their playmakers (Jones) should be getting featured more once the schedule winds down into the more important games, but it feels like we've heard that same thing from him several times now over the last handful of weeks. Get #33 the ball, get #17 the ball, use play action, and hopefully that frees things up for the other guys.
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Re: Game 13: Skins at Pack 

Post#104 » by sdn40 » Mon Dec 9, 2019 9:15 pm

GBPackers47 wrote:
sdn40 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:Still litteraly not refusing. I referenced a stat. Not a catchphrase like signature win. Once again. A stat. Not an opinion

Btw since the Packers have been blown out EVERY time they've had a chance for a signature win (as you so eloquently said) then who between the Chargers and the Eagles could of been that signature win? Because otherwise you are just bitching about one game

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Referenced a stat ? Whatever dude. What you did do was go scan the schedule and realized this mystical stat was flat out wrong. Since 2012 the Packers are 17-26-1 against teams with a winning record. They are 5-23 on the road against winning teams. I already referenced the S.D. game and the Packers struggles against any team with a decent QB. Phllly pushed the Packers around. Today was a one score home win against a 3-10 team with a rookie statue for a Q.B. The Giants game was less than impressive. Oh, they are a rookie QB led 2-10 team. The Lions are 2-9-1. Dream of unicorns and rainbows if you wish, but don't act all surprised with another blowout loss in the playoffs. Just use your eyes and brain.


Who cares about since 2012? This isn't even the same team.

Just because you haven't had fun celebrating a Packers Super Bowl every year for the last decade doesn't mean the team this year is automatically going to get bounced Round 1 because we didn't beat the Giants and Redskins by three touchdowns. Sounds like something personal you just can't move on from.


It's the stat I found. If you don't like it - find one more appropriate. As far as the rest of your post - talk to you after Round 1. Guessing you wouldn't put much money behind your words though. I would and have behind mine.
BTW the Packers didn't beat the Giants and Redskins, who are a combined 5-20, by three touchdowns because the Packers aren't that good. If you struggle and look bad week after week against teams who are 3-10, it's not an accident. They got pounded by the 49ers because the 49ers are that much better. Connect the dots. It's logic. Look it up

Which game should I go re-watch because the Packers played like a Super Bowl contender and I missed it ??? Name one game.
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Re: Game 13: Skins at Pack 

Post#105 » by sdn40 » Mon Dec 9, 2019 9:19 pm

Flames24Rulz wrote:It's funny being someone that lives in Illinois -- if the Bears were 10-3, everyone here would be absolutely losing their minds and booking hotels at wherever the Super Bowl is that year. Hell, last year when the Bears were 12-4, their offense looked like booty in the second half of the season, and most of their fans believed that if Parkey made the kick against the Eagles, that they were going to legitimately win the SB.

The Packers are 10-3, and almost everybody is saying how they're not a real contender, pointing out all of their flaws, etc. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. The offense has been great on the scripted drives to start the game, almost all season long. The problem is as soon as the scripted plays stop, there's zero rhythm in the offense. We had one three & out drive yesterday where we started at the Redskins 45, and didn't give the ball to Jones once. That can't happen. I don't think Kumerow is anything more than a guy, but he should absolutely be ahead of Allison on the depth chart. And has anybody seen MVS over the last month? What a disappointment he's turned out to be.

I was encouraged to hear MLF say that their playmakers (Jones) should be getting featured more once the schedule winds down into the more important games, but it feels like we've heard that same thing from him several times now over the last handful of weeks. Get #33 the ball, get #17 the ball, use play action, and hopefully that frees things up for the other guys.


MLF has been talking about "going back and looking at things for 5 weeks now." He doesn't know how to fix it. As far as Pettine goes, look up what Rivers had to say about the defense. Paraphrasing, "they ran the same thing all day. I assume he meant the same ole tired 1 LB look. So much for creating complicated looks with simple sound play behind them. Nobody is making this stuff up. It's all out there to be had. Some fans refuse to take their heads out of the sand.
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Re: Game 13: Skins at Pack 

Post#106 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Dec 9, 2019 11:05 pm

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Good breakdown example of Rodgers issues from yesterday. It was not a good game from him. Like guys are open here he just doesn't make a throw.

Not pretaining to this play but one thing I've noticed with him this season is his deep ball game is super inconsistent. Hell have some great balls but also some bad misses and the misses have typically been overthrows. With that in mind I hope they target a slot wr this draft and not a deep threat type.

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Re: Game 13: Skins at Pack 

Post#107 » by GBPackers47 » Mon Dec 9, 2019 11:44 pm

sdn40 wrote:
GBPackers47 wrote:
sdn40 wrote:
Referenced a stat ? Whatever dude. What you did do was go scan the schedule and realized this mystical stat was flat out wrong. Since 2012 the Packers are 17-26-1 against teams with a winning record. They are 5-23 on the road against winning teams. I already referenced the S.D. game and the Packers struggles against any team with a decent QB. Phllly pushed the Packers around. Today was a one score home win against a 3-10 team with a rookie statue for a Q.B. The Giants game was less than impressive. Oh, they are a rookie QB led 2-10 team. The Lions are 2-9-1. Dream of unicorns and rainbows if you wish, but don't act all surprised with another blowout loss in the playoffs. Just use your eyes and brain.


Who cares about since 2012? This isn't even the same team.

Just because you haven't had fun celebrating a Packers Super Bowl every year for the last decade doesn't mean the team this year is automatically going to get bounced Round 1 because we didn't beat the Giants and Redskins by three touchdowns. Sounds like something personal you just can't move on from.


It's the stat I found. If you don't like it - find one more appropriate. As far as the rest of your post - talk to you after Round 1. Guessing you wouldn't put much money behind your words though. I would and have behind mine.
BTW the Packers didn't beat the Giants and Redskins, who are a combined 5-20, by three touchdowns because the Packers aren't that good. If you struggle and look bad week after week against teams who are 3-10, it's not an accident. They got pounded by the 49ers because the 49ers are that much better. Connect the dots. It's logic. Look it up

Which game should I go re-watch because the Packers played like a Super Bowl contender and I missed it ??? Name one game.


I couldn't care less about you re-watching games or regurgitating stats at each other.

Both the Giants and Redskins as teams are bad. Out of the playoffs. But there are 106 Professional football players on the active rosters trying to put up film to have a job next season. Dudes playing for their second contracts. Plays are going to be made. Millions of dollars are on the line.

But you are so salty about this team letting you down that you refuse to believe anything other than "the Packers aren't that good."

But hey - hopefully you're right and they get bounced Round 1 so you can come in here and say you told us so.
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Post#108 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Dec 9, 2019 11:52 pm

Bet the Texans would have loved an ugly win yesterday against a broncos team with a rook qb. :)

This whole discussion feels pretty strawman. Like who's touting the pack as some super bowl favorite? But as bill parcells once said you are what your record says you are. And in a one and done tourney if you're in you have a chance.

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Re: Game 13: Skins at Pack 

Post#109 » by sdn40 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:57 am

GBPackers47 wrote:
sdn40 wrote:
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Who cares about since 2012? This isn't even the same team.

Just because you haven't had fun celebrating a Packers Super Bowl every year for the last decade doesn't mean the team this year is automatically going to get bounced Round 1 because we didn't beat the Giants and Redskins by three touchdowns. Sounds like something personal you just can't move on from.


It's the stat I found. If you don't like it - find one more appropriate. As far as the rest of your post - talk to you after Round 1. Guessing you wouldn't put much money behind your words though. I would and have behind mine.
BTW the Packers didn't beat the Giants and Redskins, who are a combined 5-20, by three touchdowns because the Packers aren't that good. If you struggle and look bad week after week against teams who are 3-10, it's not an accident. They got pounded by the 49ers because the 49ers are that much better. Connect the dots. It's logic. Look it up

Which game should I go re-watch because the Packers played like a Super Bowl contender and I missed it ??? Name one game.


I couldn't care less about you re-watching games or regurgitating stats at each other.

Both the Giants and Redskins as teams are bad. Out of the playoffs. But there are 106 Professional football players on the active rosters trying to put up film to have a job next season. Dudes playing for their second contracts. Plays are going to be made. Millions of dollars are on the line.

But you are so salty about this team letting you down that you refuse to believe anything other than "the Packers aren't that good."

But hey - hopefully you're right and they get bounced Round 1 so you can come in here and say you told us so.


Had I known, "you're salty" was the content you were gonna bring I wouldn't have bothered. Like it or not, at least I bring real stuff to the table. Try a Packer take instead of your expertise on my happiness
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Re: Game 13: Skins at Pack 

Post#110 » by RRyder823 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:57 am

sdn40 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:
sdn40 wrote:
You ARE literally refusing to list them, because you won't. And the reason is simple, There aren't any. Thanks for playing
Still litteraly not refusing. I referenced a stat. Not a catchphrase like signature win. Once again. A stat. Not an opinion

Btw since the Packers have been blown out EVERY time they've had a chance for a signature win (as you so eloquently said) then who between the Chargers and the Eagles could of been that signature win? Because otherwise you are just bitching about one game

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Referenced a stat ? Whatever dude. What you did do was go scan the schedule and realized this mystical stat was flat out wrong. Since 2012 the Packers are 17-26-1 against teams with a winning record. They are 5-23 on the road against winning teams. I already referenced the S.D. game and the Packers struggles against any team with a decent QB. Phllly pushed the Packers around. Today was a one score home win against a 3-10 team with a rookie statue for a Q.B. The Giants game was less than impressive. Oh, they are a rookie QB led 2-10 team. The Lions are 2-9-1. Dream of unicorns and rainbows if you wish, but don't act all surprised with another blowout loss in the playoffs. Just use your eyes and brain.


I didnt reference anything that was wrong. When they went into the SF they had 6 wins against teams with winning records. Ya know the stat I referenced. I'm sure its changed since then and have mentioned that (you can take away a win for where Dallas currently is but still not nearly as dire as you would like)

You on the other hand are now going back to 2012 for some reason.

It truly must be miserable to be a fan but never be able to enjoy a season unless its complete domination.

In the immortal words of Bill Parcells. "You are what your record says you are".

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Re: Game 13: Skins at Pack 

Post#111 » by MissKhriddleton » Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:33 am

We are 3-1 vs winning teams. One of those wins is against the Bears who will likely finish .500. Another is against the Matt Moore Chiefs.
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Re: Game 13: Skins at Pack 

Post#112 » by RRyder823 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:34 am

MissKhriddleton wrote:We are 3-1 vs winning teams. One of those wins is against the Bears who will likely finish .500. Another is against the Matt Moore Chiefs.
Yes. Now that both Oakland and Dallas have dropped a game below .500 they dont qualify. Very easily could be back up to 6-1 after this weekend

Still not seeing more then one game where the Packers got beat by a top flight team. Which is the point that I contested (that it has happened over and over this year)

The Packers failed their lone test this year against a top flight team. Still though my point was it's still just one game and making sweeping proclamations off a one game sample isnt a good idea

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Re: Game 13: Skins at Pack 

Post#113 » by stillgotgame » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:46 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
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Good breakdown example of Rodgers issues from yesterday. It was not a good game from him. Like guys are open here he just doesn't make a throw.

Not pretaining to this play but one thing I've noticed with him this season is his deep ball game is super inconsistent. Hell have some great balls but also some bad misses and the misses have typically been overthrows. With that in mind I hope they target a slot wr this draft and not a deep threat type.

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Wow, guys were open all over the place. If Rodgers slides to his left a couple steps Lazard is completely clear of his man.

What happens to Rodgers brain some games?

The line was fantastic this game. Packers are #1 in the NFL in pass blocking win rate...
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