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Re: Game 2: Lions at Packers - Noon - Fox 

Post#221 » by LikeABosh » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:58 pm

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RRyder823 wrote:I'm sure Jets fans were saying the same thing when they brought in Bell

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I'm sorry, could you find a more incomparable situation? I'm not confused enough

How about "I'm sure Steelers fans were saying the same thing when they wanted to re-sign Bell"?

Because that actually fits for what talking about. Re-signing a star running back who is producing 2000 yards from scrimmage because you're a contender with an already pretty complete team. Not throwing money at someone who sat a year when your team is trash

So, yeah, I'm sure Steeler fans would've killed to have him back for $13 million instead of the ridiculous $20 million or whatever he was asking for.
Rams and Gurley a better fit for you then?

Point is every team that has a big time RB has fans talking themselves into reasons why the should sign them. And it is almost never a smart idea

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Uh, still no. Gurley is injured and broken. If that's your concern, then say that. I'm arguing about whether or not a 2000 yard scrimmage back is worth 7% of the cap

Edit: And to be clear, I don't want to lock AJ up for 6 years like LA did. That's the point where RB contracts become stupid
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Re: Game 2: Lions at Packers - Noon - Fox 

Post#222 » by LikeABosh » Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:09 pm

RRyder823 wrote:The exception to the general idea its a bad idea to pay RBs.

In other words fan bases talk themselves into "yes its a bad idea to pay a back but this guy might be worth it"


I read that wrong. I thought he was saying other teams don't do that
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Post#223 » by jakecronus8 » Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:57 pm

More than just the idea of a guy getting hurt or gradually losing a step for me. I just think as a previous poster mentioned that by comparison to other key positions, running back is a relatively easier spot to find production. Jones himself was a 5th round pick after all.
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Re: Game 2: Lions at Packers - Noon - Fox 

Post#224 » by Profound23 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:19 am

I'm late so of this was already said, sorry.

Gary played a hell of a game. Josh Jackson even made a couple of big plays. I know we have Jones, but I want to see Dillon more especially in goalline or short yardage situations.
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Re: Game 2: Lions at Packers - Noon - Fox 

Post#225 » by HKPackFan » Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:34 am

I'm ok with Jones on a 2-3yr deal. See if Dillon or someone else can show that potential down the road, but keep Jones for now.

We also don't want to piss off the mvp getting rid of his #2 weapon.
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Post#226 » by Ron Swanson » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:45 pm

If there's an actual contingency plan in place then I'm fine with letting Jones walk. But you can't just let your best or 2nd best skill position player walk and expect guys like Allen Lazard and Tyler Ervin to pick up the slack. I'm still incredibly wary of paying any RB a big second contract in the modern NFL, but with how these dual threat guys are being utilized and load managed in 2-3 back systems, there's a sweet spot if you can get a true elite guy on a manageable extension (like I think you can with Jones) where the cost/risk ratio becomes easily worth it.
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Re: Game 2: Lions at Packers - Noon - Fox 

Post#227 » by sdn40 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:28 pm

Bakhtiari
Linsley
Taylor
King
Ervin
Lancaster
Williams
Jones
Lazard
Tonyan

You can't sign them all, and there are some big ticket names in there. Oh, and the salary cap is going down next year, not up. Most reports say at least $20 million and some speculate $70 million. I don't have a clue how they are gonna do it. I know that reports are saying Jones and the Packers are working on a new deal but I gotta wonder if they find out sooner rather than later if Dillon can be a decent enough replacement. I would have to think long and hard but I think I sign King before Jones. It wasn't that long ago that the Packers were burning up huge amounts of draft capital trying to find decent CB's and now you're gonna let King walk ? To me, that's a whole lot scarier than letting Jones walk.
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Post#228 » by Mags FTW » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:33 pm

I'm guessing they sign Jones, move Jenkins to LT, let Bakh walk and get the 3rd round comp pick.
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Post#229 » by sdn40 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:02 am

Mags FTW wrote:I'm guessing they sign Jones, move Jenkins to LT, let Bakh walk and get the 3rd round comp pick.


I don't think there's any way you don't re-sign Bak. That's simply a chance you can't take. I do think Turner is history ($$$) and maybe Jenkins gets moved to RT. Gute is really playing with fire in the trenches
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Re: Game 2: Lions at Packers - Noon - Fox 

Post#230 » by LikeABosh » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:29 pm

sdn40 wrote:Bakhtiari
Linsley
Taylor
King
Ervin
Lancaster
Williams
Jones
Lazard
Tonyan


Bakh, Linsley, King, and Jones should be our only concern.

I like Ervin/Lazard too and I can't imagine they'd cost much, but I also think they're easily replaceable
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Post#231 » by LikeABosh » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:30 pm

And so far, Gary has outplayed Preston Smith. If that continues, do you cut Smith next year and save $8 million?
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Post#232 » by crkone » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:07 pm

LikeABosh wrote:And so far, Gary has outplayed Preston Smith. If that continues, do you cut Smith next year and save $8 million?


Preston is playing coverage a ton while Gary is able to pin his ears back. I don't think you can say much right now.

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Re: Game 2: Lions at Packers - Noon - Fox 

Post#233 » by MickeyDavis » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:57 pm

Here's McGinn on the linebackers against Detroit

For the second consecutive Sunday, Christian Kirksey (59) played every snap. Although he did play for Mike Pettine in Cleveland for two years, Pettine’s scheme has evolved since then and so Kirksey has much to master. Some of his play is good, some of it isn’t. Although Kirksey is much smaller than his counterparts in Detroit, he’s no shrinking violet. On third and 1, he charged into his gap ready for what was to come. Instead of Kerryon Johnson, the ball carrier, it was RG Jonah Jackson, who gored Kirksey onto his back. Undeterred, Kirksey kept running around against the run and pass trying to be productive. There’s little doubt that better speed gives Kirksey a wide sphere of coverage than Blake Martinez possessed. On one route combination, he was able to sift through picking obstacles and cover TE T.J. Hockenson. Kirksey hasn’t made any crushing hits yet but Martinez seldom did, either. Credited with a game-high 12 tackles, he didn’t have a miss. On the 4-yard TD pass to Marvin Jones, Kirksey must get to that soft spot in the zone. Free-agent Krys Barnes (15) took the expected run-down snaps alongside Kirksey while Oren Burks was relegated to special teams only. Barnes seems instinctive. By adjusting the path of his only rush, he hurried Matthew Stafford. By reading and triggering fast, he drew a hold on LG Oday Aboushi.

On the outside, the snap totals were 56 (18 standing up, three with his hand down) for Za’Darius Smith, 55 for Preston Smith and 33 for Rashan Gary (four with his hand down). Gary had the best day, posting 3 ½ of the trio’s six pressures. For the second week in a row, it was Gary’s outstretched arms in the quarterback’s face that led to an interception. On Sunday, Adrian Peterson looked pathetic whiffing on the pickup of Gary that seconds later became a pick-six. Gary split a double-team by RT Tyrell Crosby and RB D’Andre Swift for a full sack in 2.7 seconds and then beat LT Taylor Decker inside for a half-sack in 3.5. The Lions double-teamed Za’Darius on 42.6 percent of passes, limiting him to two pressures. When the base defense springs leaks stopping the run, Pettine likes to stand Za’Darius up over the center in an attempt to mess up blocking combinations. From the outside, Za’Darius tends to guess and drift inside, and he was hooked twice on runs for substantial yardage. Preston probably dropped 10 times in coverage whereas Za’Darius dropped only once. The Packers miss athletic, heady Kyler Fackrell in that role; Preston is marginal in space. His rush has been slow to materialize, too. Preston loves anticipating the count, but his offside penalty just before the half almost cost three points. Rookie Jonathan Garvin got a two-play look in the second quarter.

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Re: Game 2: Lions at Packers - Noon - Fox 

Post#234 » by Treebeard » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:32 pm

That confirms the layman's view, I think. Kirksey's been adequate, Preston has been meh, Z has often been doubled up, but still effective, and Gary and Barnes have been productive.
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Re: Game 2: Lions at Packers - Noon - Fox 

Post#235 » by LikeABosh » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:26 am

crkone wrote:
LikeABosh wrote:And so far, Gary has outplayed Preston Smith. If that continues, do you cut Smith next year and save $8 million?


Preston is playing coverage a ton while Gary is able to pin his ears back. I don't think you can say much right now.


Regardless, is Smith worth keeping around next year if you think Gary can be productive?
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Re: Game 2: Lions at Packers - Noon - Fox 

Post#236 » by crkone » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:10 am

LikeABosh wrote:
crkone wrote:
LikeABosh wrote:And so far, Gary has outplayed Preston Smith. If that continues, do you cut Smith next year and save $8 million?


Preston is playing coverage a ton while Gary is able to pin his ears back. I don't think you can say much right now.


Regardless, is Smith worth keeping around next year if you think Gary can be productive?
Not at all with all the FAs we have. We'd just need a replacement who can play coverage.

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