Game 1: Packers at Saints in Jacksonville - 3:25 - FOX

[CWoodfan]

Those guys are basically around league average players if PFF is any kind of indicator. Do you actually believe that every team in the league doesn't have their own version of Lowry, Lancaster and King on the field?

If the goal is to be like every team in the league, your response makes sense.

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Cool, so your goal is to live in a fairy tale land where you have a top paid QB and still have all the money in the world to not have average players playing for you.

Yeah, poor Pack, having to try and compete with a top paid QB is too big a burden for any franchise to bear.

And the big bad NFL forcing the team to draft Nick Perry, Jerrel Worthy, Datone Jones, Khyri Thornton, HaHa Clinton-Dix, Damarious Randall, Quinton Rollins, Josh Jones, Josh Jackson, Montravioous Adams, and Oren Burks in rounds 1-3 over the past decade. Again so unfair.

Can't be that the front office has no clue on how to put together a top 10 defensive roster it must be all those external forces conspiring against the poor guys on Lombardi Avenue.

[Profound23]

Listening to Rodgers before the game and all he says he wants is "to be happy."

You are in the middle of 4/134 mil contract, being paid to play a game. You are at the top of the world, having thousands if not millions of women that would do whatever you asked of them. Life is literally in the palm of your hand. If your happiness depends on management keeping Jake Kumerow or drafting a WR instead of another QB then that's your issue.

I am usually livid with losses, especially of that magnitude. Honestly, I kind of liked it. The only thing that would have been better is watching Love come in and just go lights out.

[MickeyDavis]

I'm never happy after a Packers loss. And I don't think Rodgers mental state had anything to do with it. No, he's not tanking to screw the Packers with his trade value. No, he's not phoning it in as he looks forward to next season. He played like crap plain and simple. As did a whole bunch of other Packers.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Will also say, decades of success also means decades of drafting in the 20s. I'd love a Devin White and Vita Vea, but they also went #5 and #12. Obviously not saying you can't get high quality picks at the bottom of round one.

This is an aspect that seems to be ignored and absolutely has impacted the Packers. It's litterally designed to not let teams be bad or good for too long. Heck the Packers being mostly good for as long as they have is a bit of an outlyer.

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[PintSizedBox10]

Draft position is such a poor excuse at this point.

It's not like the offense is riddled with high picks and they seem to do alright. In fact many posters here have been quite outspoken about not using high picks on that side of the ball. Pretty funny

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Draft position is such a poor excuse at this point.

It's not like the offense is riddled with high picks and they seem to do alright. In fact many posters here have been quite outspoken about not using high picks on that side of the ball. Pretty funny

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Not an excuse but a decade of picking late errodes the talent of any team and cut down your margin for error on missing picks. Again it's how the system along with a hard cap intentionally cycles teams up and down the latter. The Patriots are an outlyer but now we're finally seeing it hit them too.

To me in hindsight I think TT was probably too focused on long term success and probably should have went more all in some of those years and just rebuilt somewhere along the way after hitting cap hell that 'all in' lands you. Especially since rebuilding in the NFL can be far quicker than other sports.

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[msiris]

Draft position is such a poor excuse at this point.

It's not like the offense is riddled with high picks and they seem to do alright. In fact many posters here have been quite outspoken about not using high picks on that side of the ball. Pretty funny

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Agree. Other teams have done fine with later picks. Packer had a chance for TJ Watt like I wanted. Nope. They trade out of the 1st round and picked King.

[ReasonablySober]

Draft position is such a poor excuse at this point.

It's not like the offense is riddled with high picks and they seem to do alright. In fact many posters here have been quite outspoken about not using high picks on that side of the ball. Pretty funny

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Agree. Other teams have done fine with later picks. Packer had a chance for TJ Watt like I wanted. Nope. They trade out of the 1st round and picked King.

Yea, most of us wanted Watt. It's not a coincidence he happened to be a local kid who played at Wisconsin.

But look at the other defenders taken in the 20s in that draft:

Jarrad Davis
Charles Harris
Gareon Conley
Jabrill Peppers
Takkarist McKinley
Tre'Davious White
Taco Charlton
Reuben Foster

One elite player and a whole bunch of nobodies.

It doesn't excuse the huge number of blown draft picks over the years, but it absolutely is a factor.

[Profound23]

Draft position is such a poor excuse at this point.

It's not like the offense is riddled with high picks and they seem to do alright. In fact many posters here have been quite outspoken about not using high picks on that side of the ball. Pretty funny

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Agree. Other teams have done fine with later picks. Packer had a chance for TJ Watt like I wanted. Nope. They trade out of the 1st round and picked King.

Yea, most of us wanted Watt. It's not a coincidence he happened to be a local kid who played at Wisconsin.

But look at the other defenders taken in the 20s in that draft:

Jarrad Davis
Charles Harris
Gareon Conley
Jabrill Peppers
Takkarist McKinley
Tre'Davious White
Taco Charlton
Reuben Foster

One elite player and a whole bunch of nobodies.

It doesn't excuse the huge number of blown draft picks over the years, but it absolutely is a factor.

I wanted Foster or Budda Baker. I didn't trust TJ and man was I wrong. I tend to underrate Badgers because I know I am bias.

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[M-C-G]

If the goal is to be like every team in the league, your response makes sense.

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Cool, so your goal is to live in a fairy tale land where you have a top paid QB and still have all the money in the world to not have average players playing for you.

Yeah, poor Pack, having to try and compete with a top paid QB is too big a burden for any franchise to bear.

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2020 - 25M
2019 - 645k
2018 - 5M
2017 - 1.6M
2016 - 14.75M
2015 - 15M
2014 - 19M
2013 - 530k
2012 -6.8M
2011 - 9M
2010 - 6.5M

Notice anything about how much Super Bowl winners tend to be paying their QB the year they win? Because I sure do.

And the big bad NFL forcing the team to draft Nick Perry, Jerrel Worthy, Datone Jones, Khyri Thornton, HaHa Clinton-Dix, Damarious Randall, Quinton Rollins, Josh Jones, Josh Jackson, Montravioous Adams, and Oren Burks in rounds 1-3 over the past decade. Again so unfair.

A lot of those picks I don't like, but like my comment before, this is not a packer issue, every team has whiffs.

Can't be that the front office has no clue on how to put together a top 10 defensive roster it must be all those external forces conspiring against the poor guys on Lombardi Avenue

I mean, we were top 9 in yards allowed last year and 13th in points. So despite our almost universally lamented D Coord, all the horrific talent acquisition, we weren't really very far off.


I've said it before and will say it again, if you don't acknowledge the impact on roster building when you are paying top dollar to the QB position, I do not know what to tell you. If Super Bowl results for the last decade aren't an indicator, what is?

[stillgotgame]

Draft position is such a poor excuse at this point.

It's not like the offense is riddled with high picks and they seem to do alright. In fact many posters here have been quite outspoken about not using high picks on that side of the ball. Pretty funny

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Yep, what round are we drafting defensive line in? The 5th. Draft position doesn't mean squat when you pick that late.
Lowery and Lancaster were out there for 38 & 29 plays respectively against the Saints on Sunday. Neither did anything but absorb a single blocker. Yet somehow we don't play them in the preseason to see if they're beyond useless, don't draft anyone before the 5th round to compete with them.

If I'm the opposing offensive coordinator I line up in a run based package just to keep those 2 on the field.