Game 2: Lions at Packers - 7:15 - ESPN

[neiLz]

Outside of Jaire... is there any impact defenders on this team? They stink and the coaching is even worse. There is no creativity or scheming to hide players or create pressures. Sitting back and hoping you can get pressure only works if you have ELITE pressure creators... Z smith is injured and unfortunately noone else can get consistent pressure. Kevin King stinks - but all of the secondary will look bad if there is no pressure. The other teams ignore Jaire, so king, sullivan, and stokes are about to get picked on all year.... If there is no pressure i don't care who is back there, guys will get beat.

Oh and they can't stop the run. The white guys from northwestern are constantly on their backs and get bulldozed at the point of attack. They really need a D-coordinator that can scheme...

[FAH1223]

Outside of Jaire... is there any impact defenders on this team? They stink and the coaching is even worse. There is no creativity or scheming to hide players or create pressures. Sitting back and hoping you can get pressure only works if you have ELITE pressure creators... Z smith is injured and unfortunately noone else can get consistent pressure. Kevin King stinks - but all of the secondary will look bad if there is no pressure. The other teams ignore Jaire, so king, sullivan, and stokes are about to get picked on all year.... If there is no pressure i don't care who is back there, guys will get beat.

Oh and they can't stop the run. The white guys from northwestern are constantly on their backs and get bulldozed at the point of attack. They really need a D-coordinator that can scheme...

Years of Gutekunst not proactively addressing ILB and DL is the problem. We lack speed and physicality at both positions.

That's the biggest problem.

Drafting, scouting, all of that needs an overhaul. We needed to hire Eric DeCosta in 2018.

[MickeyDavis]

Was at the game...was so much fun even though my son and I sat next to a bunch of people who just wanted to sit on their hands.

Obviously Bucks fans

[Profound23]

Outside of Jaire... is there any impact defenders on this team?

They stink and the coaching is even worse. There is no creativity or scheming to hide players or create pressures. Sitting back and hoping you can get pressure only works if you have ELITE pressure creators... Z smith is injured and unfortunately noone else can get consistent pressure. Kevin King stinks - but all of the secondary will look bad if there is no pressure. The other teams ignore Jaire, so king, sullivan, and stokes are about to get picked on all year.... If there is no pressure i don't care who is back there, guys will get beat.

Oh and they can't stop the run. The white guys from northwestern are constantly on their backs and get bulldozed at the point of attack. They really need a D-coordinator that can scheme...

Clark is....however it's tough when you have no help. If you got Clark a real ILB right behind him you would see a Haloti Ngata/Ray Lewis effect.

[Profound23]

Was at the game...was so much fun even though my son and I sat next to a bunch of people who just wanted to sit on their hands.

Obviously Bucks fans

At least they didn't yell at anyone to sit down (ala Bucks fans) but they made it kind of boring. Sitting right at the 45 yard line, a few rows behind the Lions bench and Packer fans are just sitting there doing nothing. I could hear a large roar in the crowd and looked at the people around me as they are barely paying attention to the game.


WHY THE F*** would you go to a game and text, play candy crush, disappear for long periods of time.....etc? What is wrong with people?

[Ron Swanson]

This is still the most talented defense we've had in years. I think that's been a major difference between the TT and Gute regimes. Fans are always going to gripe about positional weaknesses but it's something that literally every team has to deal with. What continually frustrates me is the constant revolving door of uncreative defensive minds we seem to attract.

Is Tyler Lancaster getting pushed back 5-yards on every run play a scheme issue? No. But is continually trotting Kevin King out there to get burned, blown coverages, and routine, piss-poor tackling technique a scheme and coaching issue? You bet.

[ReasonablySober]

I put coaching way down the list of issues when it comes to basic ****. Obviously coaches have to put players in the best position to succeed, but tackling, shedding blocks, and tracking your assignment is 101 stuff that players are either good at or they're not. I can't think of many instances where a defensive player was putrid but after coaching became a good player. Almost without fail within two years you know whether a guy is going to be worth giving a second contract to. Most guys pop.

[Mags FTW]

Once teams start hitting 0-3, 1-4, etc. Gute needs to get on the horn with them and look for d-line help before the deadline looms and we have to bid with other contenders.

[leroyjw10]

Just noticed that Rodgers went 0-for-4 when targeting MVS last night and 22-of-23 to everyone else. I don't necessarily think MVS was to blame for any of those misses, just thought it was interesting.

[ReasonablySober]

Just noticed that Rodgers went 0-for-4 when targeting MVS last night and 22-of-23 to everyone else. I don't necessarily think MVS was to blame for any of those misses, just thought it was interesting.

Yea, there were two bad overthrows and another miss from Rodgers on that goal line pass he tossed into the grass.

[stillgotgame]

Outside of Jaire... is there any impact defenders on this team? They stink and the coaching is even worse. There is no creativity or scheming to hide players or create pressures. Sitting back and hoping you can get pressure only works if you have ELITE pressure creators... Z smith is injured and unfortunately noone else can get consistent pressure. Kevin King stinks - but all of the secondary will look bad if there is no pressure. The other teams ignore Jaire, so king, sullivan, and stokes are about to get picked on all year.... If there is no pressure i don't care who is back there, guys will get beat.

Oh and they can't stop the run. The white guys from northwestern are constantly on their backs and get bulldozed at the point of attack. They really need a D-coordinator that can scheme...

Years of Gutekunst not proactively addressing ILB and DL is the problem. We lack speed and physicality at both positions.

That's the biggest problem.

Drafting, scouting, all of that needs an overhaul. We needed to hire Eric DeCosta in 2018.

Years of Gutekunst…you could have stopped right there.
Not only does our d-line suck but look at what he’s done on offense.
In 4 years of drafting he’s selected skill positions on offense that contributed 31 yards from scrimmage last night.
He spent:
1 first round pick, 1 second, 3 thirds & 2 4ths on those 31 yards for:
Jordan Love
AJ Dillon
Jace Sternberger
Josiah Deguara
Amari Rodgers
J’mon Moore

By contrast, Ted Thompson in his first 4 drafts selected:
Aaron Rodgers
Greg Jennings
Jordy Nelson
James Jones
Jermichael Finley
James Starks

Gute also got us in cap hell.

Makes me appreciate TT so much more. Glad he was added to the ring last night, well deserved.

[Ron Swanson]

Coaching is obviously only one half of the coin, but when you have one guy who outright says that it's a schematic decision to not prioritize run defense (Pettine), and the guy you choose to replace him already in Game 2 needs to be chewed out at halftime into shaking up his ultra conservative Cover-2 pass defense when it's clear to everyone in the building that it's getting shredded, well....I think it's clear that the organization tends to have a type and it's just as much of a culture thing. More on the personnel side though:

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Keke sucking hard has been an unfortunate development, and it certainly matches the eye test. I'll cut Barry some slack for trotting out Lowry so much given that. But he needs to find a way to work in Slaton more (22 snaps so far through 2 games). Lancaster is a liability out there just like King was/is.

[Daver]

Was at the game...was so much fun even though my son and I sat next to a bunch of people who just wanted to sit on their hands.

Our offense will be fine if we stay relatively healthy and get Bakhtiari back. Our defense sucks....plain and simple. Barry is a downgrade, Kevin King just keeps getting worse. Z isn't going to save us even if his back is better in a few weeks....I mean he will make some plays,but he can't be the excuse.

As much as this board hated pettine the team was top 12 in D and had pretty good sack totals

[Daver]

So either MLF is an overbearing micromanager who doesn't allow his assistants free reign, or we've had two back-to-back, spineless D-coordinators who can't make obvious adjustments on their own? I don't know any other way to read that...

It's the latter.

But LaFleur at least is proactive. With that said, downgrading from Pettine is a big big problem and that falls on LaFleur.

Yep, we found LaFleur's weakness.....which unfortunately is the weakness of most coaches, nepotism. With that said, he tried to hire Jim Leonhard who declined. I just don't see why Barry was the second choice other than they have a working relationship.

Behind leonhard i cant believe barry had the best ideas for the D and best credentials i agree this is the good ole boy network at full strength.
Couldnt believe he was the best candidate

[Daver]

Outside of Jaire... is there any impact defenders on this team? They stink and the coaching is even worse. There is no creativity or scheming to hide players or create pressures. Sitting back and hoping you can get pressure only works if you have ELITE pressure creators... Z smith is injured and unfortunately noone else can get consistent pressure. Kevin King stinks - but all of the secondary will look bad if there is no pressure. The other teams ignore Jaire, so king, sullivan, and stokes are about to get picked on all year.... If there is no pressure i don't care who is back there, guys will get beat.

Oh and they can't stop the run. The white guys from northwestern are constantly on their backs and get bulldozed at the point of attack. They really need a D-coordinator that can scheme...

The problem is most teams improve a D front to back.A great front 4 will make average LBs look good and in turn make the DBs look good.Looking at teams like TB and SF and other good D teams everything starts up front get a stud next to clark n suddenly the LBs n DBs look better.Add a ILB who has a pulse and suddenly the D looks much better.
Packers started ass backwards with drafting DBs first no matter how good a DB is without pressure he will be average at best

[LikeABosh]

Did anyone mention during the game when Stokes broke up that play on fourth and 1 and Barry went flying into him to celebrate like a maniac, almost knocking himself out? I like a passionate coach but he just looked like an idiot. And you better back up that passion with competency. Hate him so much already.

Wasn't even him, but ok