2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Cut Day Saturday

WeekapaugGroove · Post #101 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Tue Jan 8, 2019 6:21 pm

IMO more interesting than the hot takes on the new coach is what are peoples opinion of Gute now that we've had a year to see him work?

Overall I'd give him a C for year one.

Free Agency and Trades: It might be harsh to use this word but to me his biggest FA get in Graham was a failure. Wilkerson was the second biggest get and he randomly broke his leg; can't pin that on Gute but it didn't work out. Breeland was a decent to good mid season pick up and Williams played alright but seemed to fade as the year went on. Bell was cheap and gave them a bunch of snaps but probably shouldn't have been starting. I wasn't a fan of Randall but he was OK for Cleveland and Kizer doesn't look very good. Morrison was a decent pick up for a guy they were going to cut anyway. Getting a 4th for Ha Ha was a great move and he so bad in Washington.

Draft: Alexander was his best acquisition as a GM; has legit All Pro upside. Jackson underwhelmed but isn't a lost cause. I have hopes for Burks but he never seemed to get going after getting hurt. Sucked not having Madison report; they could have used the oline depth but that's a weird situation you can't blame on Gute. The three rookie WR's Moore was a disappointment, MVS and ESB look like keepers and their development could really swing the overall grade of this draft. Lancaster and Brown were nice rookie pick ups and look like players.

LUKE23 · Post #102 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Jan 8, 2019 6:50 pm

I'd go C+/B-

Agree with most of what you said on the draft, Alexander looks like a home run, Jackson was solid (honestly I think he'd make an outstanding safety and that will be his best position). Burks sucked from what I saw and I think we at least got two 3/4 WR types out of MVS and ESB.

Graham was a total bust signing. Maybe that drop in speed wasn't evident last year, but have to dock him for that singing. Wilkerson looked like a good one, incomplete due to injury.

I look at the defense now, and I still see so many holes. True keepers to me are Clark, Alexander, and King (he's been injured, but I've been really impressed with him when he plays). I honestly believe we could upgrade all 8 of the other spots. Just not much gamechanging talent there overall, really weak at OLB talent, Daniels is not a great fit for Pettine's scheme, and our safeties overall suck too. It's unfortunate that after all of the high draft pick resources used on the draft, we still need to do it again (IMO).

I'm fine going D with both of our 1sts, and I think that is what will play out with BPA too.

Offense, we have needs, but I'm less worried about. All it takes is AR being in line with the coach and that fixes a ton of issues right there. We need more OL depth and another deep threat at WR or TE for sure. RB is fine.

Post #103 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed Jan 9, 2019 3:32 pm

Happy 85th Bart

Treebeard · Post #104 » by **Treebeard** » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:42 pm

If LaFluer's offense relies more on running plays than we're accustomed to, does that mean that Gute needs to bring in more RB's to camp? The service life for so many RB's nowadays seems to be short.

tski1972 · Post #105 » by **tski1972** » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:47 pm

does anyone expect Cole Madison to come back to the team?

Dandridgefav · Post #106 » by **Dandridgefav** » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:32 pm

RELEASE all our FA's listed many times - Matthews, et.al
use to sign FAs

RT - Bears - Massey
RG - Ravens - Saffold (also backup LT if young guys not ready)
QB- 1yr prove it deal Colin Kaepernek

DRAFT
1a & 1b - OLB pass rushers
2 - TE
3- traded
4- traded
5- traded
6- ILB
7- cb

TRADES
3rd & Brice for vet FS
4th & 5th for vet TE

MOVE POSITION
McCarthy & Co were poor at this.
Last season and this preseason Josh Jones played MUCH BETTER close to los & was rotten deep. So move Jones to compete with Burk as hybrid SS-ILB. Play Jackson or Greene at SS. Need Breeland at CB with King being injury prone & Alexander outside CB. FA, trade or Williams or Greene at FS, Williams or Jackson in slot.

Matches Malone · Post #107 » by **Matches Malone** » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:40 pm

Packers could be interested in trading for Antonio Brown according to La Canfora.

Dandridgefav · Post #108 » by **Dandridgefav** » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:44 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Packers could be interested in trading for Antonio Brown according to La Canfora.

NOT WORTH what Steelers will want for him. I think both MVS & StBrown will really expand during preseason with Rodgers working them.

Matches Malone · Post #109 » by **Matches Malone** » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:04 pm

Dandridgefav wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:Packers could be interested in trading for Antonio Brown according to La Canfora.

NOT WORTH what Steelers will want for him. I think both MVS & StBrown will really expand during preseason with Rodgers working them.

Sounds like they are seeking a 1st. I wouldn’t be opposed to moving the Saints pick for him but I also think we should just keep it and do the majority of our team building through the draft.

rilamann · Post #110 » by **rilamann** » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:07 pm

AB comes with some risk but I would absolutely roll the dice on that one. Rodgers with Brown and Adams would be **** insane, then Jones in the backfield. That wouldn't be fair if it worked out.

bizarro · Post #111 » by **bizarro** » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:49 pm

rilamann wrote:AB comes with some risk but I would absolutely roll the dice on that one. Rodgers with Brown and Adams would be **** insane, then Jones in the backfield. That wouldn't be fair if it worked out.

As talented as Brown is, I don't know that I'm interested in an utter ego-mad diva like Brown. I'm just not. Go get a TE1, develop your young WR's, go grab an Adam Humphries/Robbie Anderson/Golden Tate. Invest in your OL, LB, and Safety position. This is one where I don't think I roll the dice given the repercussions of AB in one locker room already.

Additionally, I've listened to Simms and Lefkoe too long to put aside what Simms states about the Brown tape: doesn't get near the separation people think he does and Big Ben is constantly overlooked for the beautiful balls he puts where only Brown can catch. He's only going to lose athleticism from here. He's in year 30.

What I think I'm saying: not the risk I want to take - particularly at that salary and what comes with it.

Edit: Then I consider first year HC Matt Lafleur trying to co-exist w Brown...a wr who is known to consistently show up late to team meetings...not an element conducive to a first time young hc’s success.

Post #112 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:04 pm

I think Rodgers and Brown would love working with each other. I'd probably make a deal there knowing I only have a few years left of Rodgers' prime.

Mags FTW · Post #113 » by **Mags FTW** » Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:11 pm

Can he rush the QB? No?

Pass

RiotPunch · Post #114 » by **RiotPunch** » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:07 pm

Count me in on Antonio Brown if all it takes is that Saints 1st. Would not mind keeping it either, but that would be a strong all-in move.

Antonio Brown and Montez Sweat would be one helluva start to turning things around.

Post #115 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:13 pm

Treebeard wrote:If LaFluer's offense relies more on running plays than we're accustomed to, does that mean that Gute needs to bring in more RB's to camp? The service life for so many RB's nowadays seems to be short.

No one knows if the Packers are going to run the ball more. In the past he may have just been playing to the strength of his team.

RiotPunch · Post #116 » by **RiotPunch** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:09 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
Treebeard wrote:If LaFluer's offense relies more on running plays than we're accustomed to, does that mean that Gute needs to bring in more RB's to camp? The service life for so many RB's nowadays seems to be short.

No one knows if the Packers are going to run the ball more. In the past he may have just been playing to the strength of his team.

Watch on YouTube

During his Titans introductory presser. At around the 9:40 mark they start to press him about what to expect stylistically with his offense, and he makes it pretty clear that he tailors his offense around his players' strengths and weaknesses.

Treebeard · Post #117 » by **Treebeard** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:32 am

RiotPunch wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
Treebeard wrote:If LaFluer's offense relies more on running plays than we're accustomed to, does that mean that Gute needs to bring in more RB's to camp? The service life for so many RB's nowadays seems to be short.

No one knows if the Packers are going to run the ball more. In the past he may have just been playing to the strength of his team.

Watch on YouTube

During his Titans introductory presser. At around the 9:40 mark they start to press him about what to expect stylistically with his offense, and he makes it pretty clear that he tailors his offense around his players' strengths and weaknesses.

Good! That makes more sense.

I'm sure we'll be ciphering through the various draft selections, FA moves, and possible trades to guess at LaFluer and company take on the relative strengths and weaknesses of the roster.

neiLz · Post #118 » by **neiLz** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:16 am

Would pull the trigger on the AB deal if it was the saints pick. If that doesn't work then try to get someone like Golden tate. He's exactly what the packers hoped Cobb would be. I'm not sure how much tate would demand for a contract but he's older and plays slot. Something in the 6-8 mil per? Are there any other wrs out there? I think a number two wr really improves with mvs and st brown as 3/4.

Draft needs are pass rush, safety, oline. Need guys that will play and can be coached up. The defense is young af if they let everyone go.

Treebeard · Post #119 » by **Treebeard** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:29 am

Silverstein on the Murphy/Gutekunst/LaFluer dyanamic:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/01/13/silverstein-gutekunst-puts-packers-priority-proper-perspective/2551925002/

Silverstein's not a fan of the current structure....

Unfortunately for the football side of things, Murphy has decided to maintain a presence and stay in control of the day-to-day operation. He confirmed Wednesday that new coach Matt LaFleur would report to him instead of general manager Brian Gutekunst, guaranteeing that the old Bob Harlan-Ron Wolf structure would remain closeted.

If ever there was a time for Murphy to back away and hand the football operation over to Gutekunst it was right then, after the hiring of LaFleur.

DrWood · Post #120 » by **DrWood** » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:20 am

Antonio Brown elevates the Packers to co-picks to win the division with the bears.
No other available single player can do that.
If you can make the cap work, you do it.
3 years, and then plan for a hard rebuild.