Jordan Love Thread - All Aboard the Love Train

MVP2110 · Post #101 » by **MVP2110** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:22 am

LUKE23 wrote:I really don’t care about our record next year as this will be a couple year rebuild through the draft after our cap casualties and just trying to get younger in general. Love needs to look like the future. Rodgers looked like the future but we were 6-10 his first year. I’m fine with that happening again.

Absolutely. This team isn't a Superbowl contender next year doesn't matter. If they sneak into the playoffs that's great but next season should be more about evaluating who will be apart of our next contending team which obviously includes Love

JayMKE · Post #102 » by **JayMKE** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:04 pm

I hate the idea of investing so many years in the project player sitting on the bench only for them to get more chances, I haven't been a fan of this project from the beginning so I can't pretend to be excited or optimistic. I def agree its going to be apparent whether or not Love is a special player pretty quickly even if the Packers aren't very good, sunk cost is the worst possible reason to build around a guy and he has to show something that makes me believe he can be an MVP or lead this team to a Superbowl otherwise its time to ABORT and move on to the NEXT guy. Mediocre and just okay is not enough.

TroyD92 · Post #103 » by **TroyD92** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:02 pm

I think this is the year we see the truth of the state of this packers team. Love is a single part, but if MLF goes 3-14 he should be gone, Gute should probably be gone if not on the chopping block. There’s a lot of uncertainty for me as far as how much was Rodgers mvp level play hiding glaring issues with the organization from Murphy down. Love is the first litmus test

M-C-G · Post #104 » by **M-C-G** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:40 pm

MVP or bust is certainly a fair way to evaluate a QB. Geesh

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Post #105 » by **MickeyDavis** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:57 pm

After 3 years in the system we should have a pretty good idea about Love this season. That's not to say he can't get better. Most do. We've seen nothing so far to indicate we have a Josh Rosen. Or a Mahomes (sat for one year and then 5,057/50/12 his second season). Josh Allen was 2,074/10/12 his first year. Of course he was thrown in as a rookie. Herbert was thrown in as a rookie and was great.

JayMKE · Post #106 » by **JayMKE** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:41 pm

M-C-G wrote:MVP or bust is certainly a fair way to evaluate a QB. Geesh

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That is the expectation in Green Bay especially after being groomed for 3 years. You can't coup a HOF QB out of job to develop a guy for 3 years then they not be a guy you're confident can win a Superbowl, these years sitting are time on the clock too. Gute either looks like a genius or he should get sh*tcanned mercilessly.

Post #107 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:46 pm

MVP is the expectation? Wild.

Post #108 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:48 pm

Coup a 40 year old QB is a good one too.

MVP2110 · Post #109 » by **MVP2110** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:02 pm

JayMKE wrote:
M-C-G wrote:MVP or bust is certainly a fair way to evaluate a QB. Geesh

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That is the expectation in Green Bay especially after being groomed for 3 years. You can't coup a HOF QB out of job to develop a guy for 3 years then they not be a guy you're confident can win a Superbowl, these years sitting are time on the clock too. Gute either looks like a genius or he should get sh*tcanned mercilessly.

Except they aren't getting rid of a guy who is expected to play as a MVP QB next year

JayMKE · Post #110 » by **JayMKE** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:07 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:MVP is the expectation? Wild.

What kind of QB do you trade up in the 1st then put on a 3 year development track for? I know some of you wanted Rodgers gone because he personally pisses you off but please don't tell me Gute blew the franchise up for a guy he doesn't really believe in.

Post #111 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:34 pm

JayMKE wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:MVP is the expectation? Wild.

What kind of QB do you trade up in the 1st then put on a 3 year development track for? I know some of you wanted Rodgers gone because he personally pisses you off but please don't tell me Gute blew the franchise up for a guy he doesn't really believe in.

He used a 4th rounder. He didn't use three future firsts. Or one. It was a 4th.

And I think Love is going to be very good. Would you be upset if he only ends up being Josh Allen? Justin Herbert? Joe Burrow? Trevor Lawrence?

You know, a bunch of dudes who haven't been MVPs?

MVP2110 · Post #112 » by **MVP2110** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:55 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
JayMKE wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:MVP is the expectation? Wild.

What kind of QB do you trade up in the 1st then put on a 3 year development track for? I know some of you wanted Rodgers gone because he personally pisses you off but please don't tell me Gute blew the franchise up for a guy he doesn't really believe in.

He used a 4th rounder. He didn't use three future firsts. Or one. It was a 4th.

And I think Love is going to be very good. Would you be upset if he only ends up being Josh Allen? Justin Herbert? Joe Burrow? Trevor Lawrence?

You know, a bunch of dudes who haven't been MVPs?

It would be terrible if Love turned into a Russ Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers.

Frank Nova · Post #113 » by **Frank Nova** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:40 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
JayMKE wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:MVP is the expectation? Wild.

What kind of QB do you trade up in the 1st then put on a 3 year development track for? I know some of you wanted Rodgers gone because he personally pisses you off but please don't tell me Gute blew the franchise up for a guy he doesn't really believe in.

He used a 4th rounder. He didn't use three future firsts. Or one. It was a 4th.

And I think Love is going to be very good. Would you be upset if he only ends up being Josh Allen? Justin Herbert? Joe Burrow? Trevor Lawrence?

You know, a bunch of dudes who haven't been MVPs?

Lol. Takes a whole lot of audacity to call someone out for saying MVP or bust for Love, and then go on to use 4 of the 5 best QBs in the AFC as a measuring stick.. if he would’ve said “MVP candidate or bust” and you couldn’t have used 4 MVP candidate QBs, what would you have said then?

MVP2110 · Post #114 » by **MVP2110** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:51 pm

Frank Nova wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
JayMKE wrote:
What kind of QB do you trade up in the 1st then put on a 3 year development track for? I know some of you wanted Rodgers gone because he personally pisses you off but please don't tell me Gute blew the franchise up for a guy he doesn't really believe in.

He used a 4th rounder. He didn't use three future firsts. Or one. It was a 4th.

And I think Love is going to be very good. Would you be upset if he only ends up being Josh Allen? Justin Herbert? Joe Burrow? Trevor Lawrence?

You know, a bunch of dudes who haven't been MVPs?

Lol. Takes a whole lot of audacity to call someone out for saying MVP or bust for Love, and then go on to use 4 of the 5 best QBs in the AFC as a measuring stick.. if he would’ve said “MVP candidate or bust” and you couldn’t have used 4 MVP candidate QBs, what would you have said then?

The point is you can be a really good QB without ever winning MVP

LittleRooster · Post #115 » by **LittleRooster** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:52 pm

The fear I have, and I’m not sure I’d totally call it a fear, is he’s more like Cousins

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Post #116 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:57 pm

Frank Nova wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
JayMKE wrote:
What kind of QB do you trade up in the 1st then put on a 3 year development track for? I know some of you wanted Rodgers gone because he personally pisses you off but please don't tell me Gute blew the franchise up for a guy he doesn't really believe in.

He used a 4th rounder. He didn't use three future firsts. Or one. It was a 4th.

And I think Love is going to be very good. Would you be upset if he only ends up being Josh Allen? Justin Herbert? Joe Burrow? Trevor Lawrence?

You know, a bunch of dudes who haven't been MVPs?

Lol. Takes a whole lot of audacity to call someone out for saying MVP or bust for Love, and then go on to use 4 of the 5 best QBs in the AFC as a measuring stick.. if he would’ve said “MVP candidate or bust” and you couldn’t have used 4 MVP candidate QBs, what would you have said then?

What? I'm not the one using MVPs are a measuring stick. Dude above needs Love to be Mahomes to justify trading up. As if there isn't a level below All-Time Great that would be pretty awesome.

M-C-G · Post #117 » by **M-C-G** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:06 pm

LittleRooster wrote:The fear I have, and I’m not sure I’d totally call it a fear, is he’s more like Cousins

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Actually a phenomenal outcome if he is a capable franchise QB with a 10+ year career with (at least) 4 pro bowls. For a late first and a super valuable 4th round pick.

LittleRooster · Post #118 » by **LittleRooster** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:09 pm

M-C-G wrote:
LittleRooster wrote:The fear I have, and I’m not sure I’d totally call it a fear, is he’s more like Cousins

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Actually a phenomenal outcome if he is a capable franchise QB with a 10+ year career with (at least) 4 pro bowls. For a late first and a super valuable 4th round pick.

Don’t disagree with that. But is Cousins someone who’s going to get his team to a Super Bowl?

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Post #119 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:21 pm

LittleRooster wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
LittleRooster wrote:The fear I have, and I’m not sure I’d totally call it a fear, is he’s more like Cousins

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Actually a phenomenal outcome if he is a capable franchise QB with a 10+ year career with (at least) 4 pro bowls. For a late first and a super valuable 4th round pick.

Don’t disagree with that. But is Cousins someone who’s going to get his team to a Super Bowl?

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Sure. Many worse QBs have done it.

Frank Nova · Post #120 » by **Frank Nova** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:56 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
Frank Nova wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
He used a 4th rounder. He didn't use three future firsts. Or one. It was a 4th.

And I think Love is going to be very good. Would you be upset if he only ends up being Josh Allen? Justin Herbert? Joe Burrow? Trevor Lawrence?

You know, a bunch of dudes who haven't been MVPs?

Lol. Takes a whole lot of audacity to call someone out for saying MVP or bust for Love, and then go on to use 4 of the 5 best QBs in the AFC as a measuring stick.. if he would’ve said “MVP candidate or bust” and you couldn’t have used 4 MVP candidate QBs, what would you have said then?

What? I'm not the one using MVPs are a measuring stick. Dude above needs Love to be Mahomes to justify trading up. As if there isn't a level below All-Time Great that would be pretty awesome.

Love needs to align with those QBs you mentioned to warrant a long leash and he also needs to align with those QBs you mentioned to keep Gutenkist in the decision maker chair.. year 4 in the system, regardless year 1 as the starter, there should be a level well above mediocre that Love needs to reach from the jump..

I don’t think it’s Patty Mahomes or bust but if Love doesn’t flash similar to how Rodgers did in 08, how could you blame anyone for immediately wanting to move on? Record aside, we can go 3-14 next year and still want Love as the guy.. there’s no shame in that. The difference will be who you’re after in the draft at that point.. if you want Brock Bowers or Caleb Williams.. that’s more of a definitive decision we’d all have to make on Loves performance next season.. if Love is terrible, his replacement is there for the taking. If Love shows promise, arguably the best player in the draft is there to boost your franchise QB.

The margin for error should be razor thin. Love better be a baller or there 100% should be hell to pay. Kirk Cousins comparison also doesn’t come close to cutting it. You run Rodgers out of Green Bay for a younger version of Kirk Cousins? That’s insane to think of..