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Post#1121 » by -Jragon- » Fri Oct 25, 2024 4:50 pm

Isocleas2 wrote:For all the hate Watson gets for his injury history I'm not sure why people want to add Kupp (who misses even more games).

Crosby is a tempting piece, but a 1st and 2nd is such a big gamble. Realistically how often do teams that give up that much draft capital end up regretting it? Plus you have to pay him top money, which means you probably have to let another player or 2 go in free agency.


Right.. it's not 100% with either guy.. but if we could have added Kupp that doubles the odds that at least one of them is still active through the playoffs and there still is even an outside chance both play.. imagine Kupp being your WR3 or WR4 and running unchecked through zone coverage... Jordan would eat that up
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Post#1122 » by -Jragon- » Fri Oct 25, 2024 4:51 pm

Also Kupps recent injuries make it a cheaper gamble
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Post#1123 » by Wisky4life » Fri Oct 25, 2024 5:00 pm

Remember the draft is in GB next year. No way they give up a first.

I can see us giving up a 5th/6th for a linebacker or corner. Thats about it.

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Post#1124 » by -Jragon- » Fri Oct 25, 2024 5:02 pm

Packer fans are interesting.. several guys I know were mad we picked former NFL rushing leader B. Jacob's over Aaron Jones... now we wouldn't dream of adding the former offensive player of the year for a 4th or 5th round pick because Wicks, Heath and Melton are studs. It's all prospective I guess .. didn't a texan defender just say we have McDonald's workers running around at WR and somehow it works out?
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Post#1125 » by Reddeye » Fri Oct 25, 2024 5:51 pm

I think Wicks has a chance to be really good. I also don't want to trade for a wr who will be 32 next year and have a cap number of $20 million.
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Post#1126 » by MickeyDavis » Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:08 pm

Having the draft in GB would never be a factor in trading our first rounder. That would be dumb.

But Gute wouldn't do it anyway unless is was a TGTBT offer. On football merits, not fan reaction.
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Post#1127 » by Iheartfootball » Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:12 pm

-Jragon- wrote:Packer fans are interesting.. several guys I know were mad we picked former NFL rushing leader B. Jacob's over Aaron Jones... now we wouldn't dream of adding the former offensive player of the year for a 4th or 5th round pick because Wicks, Heath and Melton are studs. It's all prospective I guess .. didn't a texan defender just say we have McDonald's workers running around at WR and somehow it works out?


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Post#1128 » by -Jragon- » Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:33 pm

Iheartfootball wrote:
-Jragon- wrote:Packer fans are interesting.. several guys I know were mad we picked former NFL rushing leader B. Jacob's over Aaron Jones... now we wouldn't dream of adding the former offensive player of the year for a 4th or 5th round pick because Wicks, Heath and Melton are studs. It's all prospective I guess .. didn't a texan defender just say we have McDonald's workers running around at WR and somehow it works out?


Cooper, why do you want out of LA so bad?


This idea was before the Vikings crapped the bed.. at 2-5 the Rams likely would be sellers.. maybe not at 3-4
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Post#1129 » by -Jragon- » Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:35 pm

Reddeye wrote:I think Wicks has a chance to be really good. I also don't want to trade for a wr who will be 32 next year and have a cap number of $20 million.


We ate a lot of salary in the Rodgers Jets trade.. 31 year olds can still help you win or get to a SB -- it's not hill for a possession WR
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Post#1130 » by -Jragon- » Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:36 pm

Wicks has a chance to be good.. I'm specifically talking about being buyers here at 5-2 for a SB run.. we were a few plays away last year from the NFC championship with a better kicker and D presumably.
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Post#1131 » by -Jragon- » Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:45 pm

Young WRs on our team would learn a lot from a former Offensive player of the year also... even how to become a defender on bad passes and break up the interceptions
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Post#1132 » by RRyder823 » Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:48 pm

I'm confused what this hand ringing about the #5 and #6 WRs is about?

"We're 1 play in the postseason away from Melton and Heath needing to play the majority of the time"

1: No we are not unless you think they're gonna be running 4 WR sets most of the time

2: If the Packers WR room isn't good or deep enough not to feel the need to trade for Kupp which WR room is?

3: Stop acting like our WRs have never played in and are untested in the postseason. They lit up Dallas and performed against SF. Just stop

4: If you are focused on a move to go "all in" and push GB over the top the OBVIOUS move is to get a pass rusher and NOT a WR

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Post#1133 » by bobsacamano » Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:06 pm

Yeah barring injury the WRs are in a great spot. **** Cooper Kupp. He's old, injury prone, and isn't needed. If anything he'd block the development of the younger guys that could use more experience.

Also Doubs was awesome last year in the playoffs - 2 games, 10 catches on 12 targets, 234 yds, 1 TD. Also he made clutch catches for first downs left and right against the Texans last week. Not to mention that Kraft has taken a leap this year as has Reed. I feel great about the weapons (knock on wood for health).

I can see an argument for a pass rusher but I wouldn't want to pay multiple high picks. I'd rather just roll with what we've go and keep building. The window isn't closing after this season.
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Post#1134 » by -Jragon- » Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:50 pm

You're right about Doubs and Kraft although they aren't experienced enough to break up interceptions. That's it though.. after that Watson and Reed are fast but physical playoff defenses will hold them and get away with it mitigating them. 4th quarter NFC championship blitz the only 1v1 available is Wicks let's say.. you want that ball being slung up there again? F it would be nice to have Kupp there.. I think we run 4 receivers or rotate a lot... I consistantly see Heath and Melton out there.
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Post#1135 » by -Jragon- » Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:53 pm

I also admit that ML can sceme around not having that type of receiver that will fight and win balls by creatively getting Reed and Watson on screens and flicks but it would be a luxery.. that would be like getting Jordy back
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Post#1136 » by Ayt » Fri Oct 25, 2024 9:10 pm

Kupp isn't anywhere close to the player he used to be. I can't imagine the Packers having much interest.
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Post#1137 » by RRyder823 » Fri Oct 25, 2024 9:14 pm

-Jragon- wrote:You're right about Doubs and Kraft although they aren't experienced enough to break up interceptions. That's it though.. after that Watson and Reed are fast but physical playoff defenses will hold them and get away with it mitigating them. 4th quarter NFC championship blitz the only 1v1 available is Wicks let's say.. you want that ball being slung up there again? F it would be nice to have Kupp there.. I think we run 4 receivers or rotate a lot... I consistantly see Heath and Melton out there.


You keep saying this like the NFL is like the NBA where officiating will drastically change from regular season into the playoffs.

It doesn't

The difference is that teams that make the POs, and make deep runs, generally have really good defenses



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Post#1138 » by -Jragon- » Sat Oct 26, 2024 7:36 am

RRyder823 wrote:
-Jragon- wrote:You're right about Doubs and Kraft although they aren't experienced enough to break up interceptions. That's it though.. after that Watson and Reed are fast but physical playoff defenses will hold them and get away with it mitigating them. 4th quarter NFC championship blitz the only 1v1 available is Wicks let's say.. you want that ball being slung up there again? F it would be nice to have Kupp there.. I think we run 4 receivers or rotate a lot... I consistantly see Heath and Melton out there.


You keep saying this like the NFL is like the NBA where officiating will drastically change from regular season into the playoffs.

It doesn't

The difference is that teams that make the POs, and make deep runs, generally have really good defenses



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They call O-line holding, roughing the passer and PI's the same but there are many videos showing that teams like SF and KC hold WRs during routes and get away with it all game in the playoffs.. either it's apathy by the officials since it's every play or those teams are just masters at how and when to do it where the refs cant see but on replays and PG analysis you can see it... they gum things up and it's hard to get open so there are many more contested catches that have to happen. Same people saying Kupp is washed were saying it about Jacobs and he's not. Good gamble imo
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Post#1139 » by -Jragon- » Sat Oct 26, 2024 3:44 pm

Ayt wrote:Kupp isn't anywhere close to the player he used to be. I can't imagine the Packers having much interest.


Hopkins went to Cheifs for a 4th plus they had to eat salary .. he's 32 and had 75 for 1000 last year

Adams a conditional 3rd

Kupp hasn't had a 1000 yards in a couple years at 31 yrs old so likely a 5th round pick.. it's a similar offense but even a partially washed former OPOY Kupp is a 1st, 2nd or 3rd receiver on our team considering the lack of experience we have. Great situation for him and a good gamble for us but that Vikings beatdown might make them stay pat.
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Post#1140 » by Reddeye » Sat Oct 26, 2024 6:25 pm

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Ayt wrote:Kupp isn't anywhere close to the player he used to be. I can't imagine the Packers having much interest.


Hopkins went to Cheifs for a 4th plus they had to eat salary .. he's 32 and had 75 for 1000 last year

Adams a conditional 3rd

Kupp hasn't had a 1000 yards in a couple years at 31 yrs old so likely a 5th round pick.. it's a similar offense but even a partially washed former OPOY Kupp is a 1st, 2nd or 3rd receiver on our team considering the lack of experience we have. Great situation for him and a good gamble for us but that Vikings beatdown might make them stay pat.


I thought I read the Rams wanted a 2nd.

You are willing to taken on the $20 million cap hit the next two years? The Packer will need to start extending some of their young guys by then.

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