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2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Week 1 in Brasil v. Iggles

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Post#121 » by MVP2110 » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:00 pm

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Interesting chart to track how we're faring in the trenches so far this year compared to the rest of the NFL

Pass Protection good
Run blocking bad
Pass rush and run defense both mostly average
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Post#122 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:02 pm

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Interesting chart to track how we're faring in the trenches so far this year compared to the rest of the NFL

Pass Protection good
Run blocking bad
Pass rush and run defense both mostly average
Interesting. I would have guessed the Packers run D would be ranked lower and pass rush a little higher.

A little surprised they rank that high on pass blocking but I also realize that O-line play across the league kind of sucks so I'm not shocked since this is graded on a curve. But I do think that kind of negates the 'cant evaluate love with this bad line' stuff.

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Post#123 » by crkone » Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:26 pm

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MVP2110 wrote:
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Interesting chart to track how we're faring in the trenches so far this year compared to the rest of the NFL

Pass Protection good
Run blocking bad
Pass rush and run defense both mostly average
Interesting. I would have guessed the Packers run D would be ranked lower and pass rush a little higher.

A little surprised they rank that high on pass blocking but I also realize that O-line play across the league kind of sucks so I'm not shocked since this is graded on a curve. But I do think that kind of negates the 'cant evaluate love with this bad line' stuff.

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It needs more context as I'd like to see it by down and distance.

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Post#124 » by MVP2110 » Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:23 pm

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Starting to think Nixon might have been a flash in the pan. He's been a disaster on Kickoff returns this year
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Post#125 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:07 pm

I could take a fifth grader, hand them that chart, and they would come up with the obvious solution in about 10 seconds.
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Post#126 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:16 pm

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Post#127 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:28 pm

Is it coaching when we're on like what the 5th or so special teams coach in a row and it always sucks. Could say the same for the D.

Fans love blaming coaching for everything but I have a feeling this is more a player problem.

I don't think this is a deep or good roster.

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Post#128 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:33 pm

It's a coaching problem. Like I said, just look at that chart. A junior high football coach can see that and the sirens will go off in his head and DON'T EVER RETURN THE BALL would be the first words out of his mouth.
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Post#129 » by MVP2110 » Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:33 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Is it coaching when we're on like what the 5th or so special teams coach in a row and it always sucks. Could say the same for the D.

Fans love blaming coaching for everything but I have a feeling this is more a player problem.

I don't think this is a deep or good roster.

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I think with ST any failure should land squarely on Bisaccia. Gutey has basically given him free reign to add any players to the roster he wants to help on ST(rightly or wrongly)
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Post#130 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:54 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Is it coaching when we're on like what the 5th or so special teams coach in a row and it always sucks. Could say the same for the D.

Fans love blaming coaching for everything but I have a feeling this is more a player problem.

I don't think this is a deep or good roster.

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I think with ST any failure should land squarely on Bisaccia. Gutey has basically given him free reign to add any players to the roster he wants to help on ST(rightly or wrongly)


Yeah they have brought in some vets but results are the same.

I never really know how to judge a special teams coach because I have no idea what strategies they are trying or whatever. Plus its not like they coach guys to get out of their lanes or miss tackles.

I'm just kind of at loss because Bisaccia was an experienced and successful special teams coach so if he's the wrong hire who's the right one? Do all these guys just magically forget how to coach once they set foot in Wisconsin are the Packers somehow the worst team in the NFL at hiring coaches?

I just look at from the logic of they have a problem, they try to fix the problem by continuing changing one element (coaches) but the problem doesn't go away. So my logic is maybe the problem lies someplace else.

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Post#131 » by MVP2110 » Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:01 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Is it coaching when we're on like what the 5th or so special teams coach in a row and it always sucks. Could say the same for the D.

Fans love blaming coaching for everything but I have a feeling this is more a player problem.

I don't think this is a deep or good roster.

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I think with ST any failure should land squarely on Bisaccia. Gutey has basically given him free reign to add any players to the roster he wants to help on ST(rightly or wrongly)


Yeah they have brought in some vets but results are the same.

I never really know how to judge a special teams coach because I have no idea what strategies they are trying or whatever. Plus its not like they coach guys to get out of their lanes or miss tackles.

I'm just kind of at loss because Bisaccia was an experienced and successful special teams coach so if he's the wrong hire who's the right one? Do all these guys just magically forget how to coach once they set foot in Wisconsin are the Packers somehow the worst team in the NFL at hiring coaches?

I just look at from the logic of they have a problem, they try to fix the problem by continuing changing one element (coaches) but the problem doesn't go away. So my logic is maybe the problem lies someplace else.

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Fwiw I do think Bisaccia has made a difference. We were legit the worst ST unit the NFL before him and now we're roughly average I believe. Bisaccia got boosted up by being an interim HC of a Raiders team going through turmoil and leading them to the playoffs. But his ST units were never actually elite, they were between above average and average and I think for the most part that's what we're getting with him.
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Post#132 » by PintSizedBox10 » Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:01 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Is it coaching when we're on like what the 5th or so special teams coach in a row and it always sucks. Could say the same for the D.

Fans love blaming coaching for everything but I have a feeling this is more a player problem.

I don't think this is a deep or good roster.

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I think with ST any failure should land squarely on Bisaccia. Gutey has basically given him free reign to add any players to the roster he wants to help on ST(rightly or wrongly)


Yeah they have brought in some vets but results are the same.

I never really know how to judge a special teams coach because I have no idea what strategies they are trying or whatever. Plus its not like they coach guys to get out of their lanes or miss tackles.

I'm just kind of at loss because Bisaccia was an experienced and successful special teams coach so if he's the wrong hire who's the right one? Do all these guys just magically forget how to coach once they set foot in Wisconsin are the Packers somehow the worst team in the NFL at hiring coaches?

I just look at from the logic of they have a problem, they try to fix the problem by continuing changing one element (coaches) but the problem doesn't go away. So my logic is maybe the problem lies someplace else.

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Yea, I'm not buying the logic the Packers have somehow had 5+ piss poor ST coaches in a row. It's clear we're just simply doing something wrong from the top. Even going back to last year we were a **** show outside of Nixon having an apparent fluke year returning KOs

Thank god the rookie kicker has proven to be really good so far.
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Post#133 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:08 pm

But the simple fact is having a good kicker and having a good punter should literally be all that matters when it comes to special teams. Have an accurate kicker that can boom the ball out of the end zone, and have a punter who can pin teams while not out kicking his unit.

The Packers shouldn't on the top of that chart, they should be on the bottom, next to all the teams who don't return any kicks. That's 100% coaching.
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Post#134 » by Ayt » Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:22 am

Ron Swanson wrote:So did injuries derail his career or was he a one-year wonder? I'm just gonna assume he's still an upgrade cuz it can't be much worse than watching Dillon carry the ball 20-times.


He had an Achilles injury. I loved the way he ran before that, but he's done.
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Post#135 » by CWoodfan » Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:02 pm

When it comes to adding veteran offensive skill players, Gutey is unrivalled and leaves no stone unturned.

Hence, there is no reason to believe that James Robinson can't have just as big an impact on the offense in 2023 as Sammy Watkins did in 2022.
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Post#136 » by coolhandluke121 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 4:53 pm

Special teams nearly saved the Packers' season last year, and kick returns are only a small part of special teams. I'm willing to excuse a certain amount of risk-taking from Nixon, but it's time to put a stop to it now that it's clearly not working. It was probably time a few games ago, but this issue isn't killing the Packers nearly as much as terrible coverage and mediocre kicking/punting. And let's not forgot Amari Rodgers, which was 10x worse than the current problems Nixon is having.
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Post#137 » by Giannisland34 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:44 pm

Both the kicker and punter being a rookie and 1st year player. They’ve been pretty good and playing beyond expectations. The returning hasn’t been good thou with Nixon attempting to return a few he shouldn’t have. Coverage units seem average. Special teams hasn’t been the main thing losing them these games this year unlike past years.
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Post#138 » by Giannisland34 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:48 pm

Hard to believe the pass blocking is still graded out that high. These last two games it’s been terrible. Like the worst we’ve seen in GB in a long, long time.
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Post#139 » by BUCKnation » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:39 pm

I think the issue is that Nixon was so over the top good last year so you give him the benefit of the doubt to return whenever he wants. Now he is taking out everything to little success and the combination of almost never making it back to the 25 or a holding call on 50% of the returns, were starting every drive in an awful spot. It's time to stop letting him return anything in the end zone.

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