Favre traded to Jets (done deal)

[Kerb Hohl]

Jolly has a court hearing on August 27, the charges were not dropped.

And Jordan was not traded by the Bulls.

I thought it was much ado about nothing though and he only had a very small amount of Codeine.

[MickeyDavis]

We didn't score an offensive touchdown in the opener last year. I believe Jennings missed that game too.

The Vikings will be a tough opener. Very tough.

[MickeyDavis]

It will be interesting to see how much Brett plays in the preseason. The Jets have to balance the risk of him getting hurt vs. Brett having to learn the offense and get in sync with the receivers.

He obviously won't play tonight so he'll only have 3 games to get ready.

[LUKE23]

I have no problem if after the first 3-4 games people want to pile on Rodgers if he sucks. But let's give him until then. If I recall, Favre looked awful in the preseason last year and really bad in the first game against the Eagles.

If he can stay healthy (big if I'll grant) Rodgers can make up for some of what he lacks vis a via Favre simply by being able to scramble. Favre rushed for 12 yards last year. In his prime years he was scrambling for 150-200 yards a season and getting many key first downs by rushing. He gave up that element of his skill-set a few years back.

I do. He should be given at least until the middle of next season IMO before anyone is all over him. How many QB's dominate in their first year?

[MickeyDavis]

Jolly has a court hearing on August 27, the charges were not dropped.

And Jordan was not traded by the Bulls.

I thought it was much ado about nothing though and he only had a very small amount of Codeine.

200 grams. Not a small amount. Felony with 20 years max sentence. Hopefully his lawyers can plea it down.

[Bernman]

I'm not going to read all the way backward to see if this was already mentioned already, so excuse my redundancy if it was, but this trade will essentially be Favre for 2nd round pick and Chad Pennington if we're serious enough about simply paying the soft tosser a reasonable sum. PP was clamoring for Pennington to be added to the deal but even better he still could be AT A LOWER PRICE as a result of the Favre move forcing him out of New York. Two fragile QB's apart are tenuous but together they equal one peerlessly reliable ironman. I'm in no way comfortable going into the season with Brian Brohm as our backup QB (I've never been a fan). Flynn looks more promising by far at this point.

We'd also be well served adding a couple cap casualties at DL and OG.

[MickeyDavis]

I don't want Pennington. The Queens might though

[Bernman]

I don't want Pennington. The Queens might though

At a reasonable cap % you'd be foolish not to want him.

[ReasonablySober]

Pennington will probably be a Viking by the end of the week.

[Neusch23]

Unless Rodgers completely implodes or gets hurt this is definitely a playoff team.

I'm hoping the talk from Sanders about the defense being more aggressive (especially the linebackers) is more than just talk. Hawk especially has been stifled somewhat.

Solid defense, good running game, great receivers. Definitely a playoff team.

I hope you're right, but from what I have seen, and heard I put next year as a better chance. you just can't expect him, given his history, to put it all together and be able to lead this team to the playoffs.

This year have I have basically seen him play dodge ball with his recievers when the pass is longer than 15 yards.

[LUKE23]

The Packers offense is predicated on the WR's doing most of the work anyway. Yes, there will be times we go deep, but the majority of our offense this year is going to be running the ball and throwing short and letting our elusive WR's get YAC.

And lets also remember, as accurate as Favre is/was, he was never a very accurate deep ball thrower. He had the two vs. the Broncos in the Monday night game, but overall his connection % going deep has not been that great the past few years.

The reason our offense was so good last year was because Favre's release time and accuracy in the short routes was absolutely impeccable. I have more faith in a young QB in this offensive system than I would in many others though. The supporting cast is there to be successful.

[Neusch23]

How our FO handled this is very similar to how the FO of the Bulls let their team implode. I have been working with some people on the Bulls board who know more about it than I do, and I am working with some of my contacts here that will give me more of an insite as to what has been happening for a long time.

Just like the Bulls, this didn't start over the last few months. This has been going on for a couple of seasons.

[LUKE23]

The Bulls analogy doesn't really hold much water. For one, building a team in the NBA is much different than building a team in the NFL. Secondly, that Bulls team lost their entire core of guys, for no compensation, through essentially no fault of the players. They also lost their HOF head coach.

In the Packers situation, they lose one player, not all of their core, and the player was at least partially, if not predominantly at fault for the breakup. Their coach is back and they have a player that has learned under said lost player for three years.

It's just not a very comparable situation.

[mnstinks]

As a business owner in the GB area we have lowered our expected sales and profits because the local busiesses are all now expecting a down season.

Last season was great. Not exected at all. A blessing to our local economy. We can not expect it to be even remotely close.

You aren't a very good "businessman" if your sales projections rely on one player who was probably only going to be there one more year (if he rejoined the team). Whatever would you have done the following years without Favre and no young "promising" QB to take his place, as Rodger's may not have resigned. Your business would have likely had to deal with a round robin of average veteran qb's like the Bears, Lions, and other teams have had to deal with for years to come.

Not to mention he retired in March...did you not think of a way to increase/maintain sales then?

Not a sound business plan. If you want to sell, let me know.

[Mags FTW]

What a dark day in Packer history. I'm still curious what Harlan thinks of all of this and the three ring circus the office staff has turned into.

Harlan is a great guy, but his record isn't impeccable. He made Sherman GM/HC and picked a President they had to fire right away.

[Mags FTW]

Ah yes, another scrub that TT didn't draft. He should trade him too, then the Ted era can really begin. While he's at it get rid of these bums too- Clifton, Tauscher, Driver, Barnett, Harris, Wells, Jenkins, KGB, and Cole.

Stop being so dramatic.

TT gave Driver, Harris, Barnett, Jenkins, and Wells extensions, resigned Cole this year, and gave Tauscher a raise.

[InsideOut]

I agree with the poster that AR should get until the middle of next year. No 1st year starter comes in and sets the world on fire. Heck, fans wanted Favre benched in his 3rd NFL season which was his second as a starter. Favre took off for good in his 3rd season as a starter. I feel AR deserves the same chance but AR was given more time on the bench so I'll adjust that to 1.5 years. I also want to say great job TT. While Favre was retired he held all the cards and everyone thought he was winning the battle. Once TT called his bluff and Favre reinstated himself then TT had the advantage. And what did TT do with the advantage...trade him to the team we all agreed would be the best solution for the Packers. Favre got none of his demands and TT got what we all feel was the best outcome if Favre demanded to play. I'm looking forward to a great season and a real shot at the playoffs. I feel bad for the few who are bound and determined to keep a bad attitude and hope Favre does better than the Packers. Must suck to go into a new season with that kind of mindset.

[MajorDad]

mnstinks- you don't sound like you know anything about the NFL market or business. if the packers have a down year, outside local businesses will suffer. fewer products will be sold. favre jerseys will definitely not be the "item" anymore. The poster never said he didn't prepare for a reduced sales this year. if you see a down market ahead, do you keep your wall street stocks and lose 33% or do you switch to the safer government bonds and only make 3% profit? Most businessman plan for the worst and are pleasantly surprised when their profits exceed their goals. So mnstinks, would you be willing to buy my coldstone ice cream franchise?

loking on the bright side, if the jets make the play-offs and the packers don't, ted thompson, mcCarthy and rogers will all be gone and the new era of brohm will begin. I wonder with the packers so far under the cap, if the packers get off to a slow start, how many panic signings/trades thompson will make to keep his job?

another thing. Rogers is not a rookie. This is his 4th year. This is not his firs camp. this is not the NBA. Players are expected to perform at a starter level their second year whether they started the previous year or not. the average NFL player only plays 4 years. So I don't want to read people trying to make excuses or him and saying he's a project and that he needs time to develop. if he still needs time to develop, then the packers' coaching staff has done a very bad job of training him the past 3 years. When i see rookie QB's producing big numbers, i would think a 4th year QB should be better. if rogers can't match what Drew brees put up in his first year as a starter, i'll be extrememly disapointed- not in rogers, but in thompson and Mc Carthy.

Favre and many people said the packers overachieved last year. their schedule is a lot tougher this year, and their defensive line is not as strong. Will the Packers be as good as last year? Doubtful. Will they make the play-offs? probable. if they don't, i expect a lot of heads will roll and a lot of job vacancy announcements to be posted in green Bay.

I have to agree with Luke. Favre's accuracy- especially on the long pass was terrible the last 4 years. Favre made his money on hitting the short routes and having receivers who could gain yardage after the catch. one positive factor for rogers is he will not have to worry about having ferguson as one of his receivers. I hate to say it, but if the packers don't beat the Vikings in week one, it will be a long year for rogers, Thompson and MC Carthy. You know Madden will be second guessing thompson the entire game and adding what if favre had played this game. if the packers lose tha t game, the press wil l only get worse. A lot of packers fans didn't like Thompson before this year. And as a Fox announcer said, why is thompson making mc carthy do all the press conferences and answer all the questions? Why isn't the guy who made the decision answering to the press?

Thompson's legacy = the guy who traded Favre and 0 superbowls.

[LUKE23]

First of all, Thompson's legacy is far from over. He's built one SB team in Seattle and another that was one play from it in GB, so I'd say his resume is pretty good.

But onto the general fan perception of Rodgers, everyone needs to keep in mind that Aaron Rodgers is not the one who traded Brett Favre. He didn't have any personnel decision power in any of this. And he's handled himself in public extremely well. If fans are going to be impatient with HIM just because Favre isn't here, well then that's a joke to me.

But I won't be shocked at all if there is a general population of fans that boo in game one of the season if he makes mistakes. And all of those people should be lined up in front of a firing squad.

[Neusch23]

As a business owner in the GB area we have lowered our expected sales and profits because the local busiesses are all now expecting a down season.

Last season was great. Not exected at all. A blessing to our local economy. We can not expect it to be even remotely close.

You aren't a very good "businessman" if your sales projections rely on one player who was probably only going to be there one more year (if he rejoined the team). Whatever would you have done the following years without Favre and no young "promising" QB to take his place, as Rodger's may not have resigned. Your business would have likely had to deal with a round robin of average veteran qb's like the Bears, Lions, and other teams have had to deal with for years to come.

Not to mention he retired in March...did you not think of a way to increase/maintain sales then?

Not a sound business plan. If you want to sell, let me know.

Obviously you don't have a clue about the Green Bay market. I own a grocery store 14 miles away from the stadium. You don't think that when I have to put together sales figures for the second half of my physcal year that I can't take into account how the Packers are going to perform?

You would be crazy not to. My store was up 37% last year vs the year before, and nearly 42% over the year before that. When the Packers play well, people throw parties. Our deli, Liquor, and meat departments increase dramatically. Sales are dramatically effected.

That doesn't include the extra playoff games in Jan which is the slowest month of the year typically for grocery stores.

Before you're going to show your ignorance, you should probably keep your comments to yourself.

This has to do with the effect that the Green Bay Packers have on the local econmy. Every game brings MILLIONS to the local business. You bet you have to factor that in. Your advertising, promotions, and staffing all go hand in hand with the Packers for the weekends in the fall and winter.

My most busy days are Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and when the Packers are winning, my departments are all up. When they are loosing...expect a drop in sales. My worst year in the past 10 was our 4-12 season.

The Packers are very important, and I am sorry that I feel Brett gave them a better shot to win, which in turn with effect my business, and my bottom line.

Don't talk about what you don't know.