JimmyTheKid wrote:Ron Swanson wrote:JimmyTheKid wrote:
Naming specific players was always dumb as we have no idea where the Packers ranked particular prospects in that draft. I personally have never claimed "we'd have another Super Bowl if player A was chosen instead of Love" as that is such a ridiculous jump to make.
It was always about the timeline combined with the fact that we needed help elsewhere to attempt to get over the hump.
I love this argument. Every time someone asks for receipts on which player from the 2020 draft they think would have helped us over the hump and changed the outcome of the last two seasons, the default answer goes to "you can't pick a specific guy cuz that's not how this works", while then subtly implying in the very next paragraph that basically "anyone other than Jordan Love" would fit that criteria. Vague, circular logic 101, and can always claim "I wasn't wrong". Because of course, it's impossible for some people to look objectively and admit that the draft pick wouldn't have changed anything about the past two playoff choke jobs.
For the record, I also never bought into the "Rodgers was motivated by the Love pick" crap or that this had anything to do with Jordan Love/drafting a QB at all, and everything to do about money. But man......you sure did:Post#588 » by JimmyTheKid » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:10 pm
Matches Malone wrote:
This may be just hot air coming out my mouth right now, but I still circle back to the Love pick.
There is no doubt that was, and still is, the tipping point. And rightfully so. Aaron was upfront with the organization about wanting to play "well into his 40's" and literally the next draft, timelines be damned (also completely ignored), they trade up for a QB without giving him the courtesy of "hey Aaron, this is what we're doing, you're still our guy..." (even if that sentiment would have been complete nonsense)
Seriously, some of you guys couldn't do a 180 fast enough after gloating and lecturing people about how this wasn't about money, but rather "respect", or some dumb nonsense. I mean, I was always more than willing to "take an L" if/when the Love situation gets resolved, because that's just the cost of potential succession planning. Just make sure you keep up that same energy when the facts get in the way.
Yes, using a 1st round pick on literally any other position than the most cemented position on the team could have helped the Packers get over the hump. There is no possible way to know if it would have seeing as we don't know the player or position. But different players on the field would have yielded different looking box scores, different plays ran, and yes, potentially different outcomes. Who f**ing knows. Thats not being "vague" thats just the way it is. Because everything changes, game to game, at least a little, with different personnel. But, again, the point, for the thousandth time, is the decision to draft a 1st round QB after Rodgers, as opposed to Favre, was straightforward about his timeline, was a terrible one. Getting a 2nd for Love won't change that.
And if there is a "gotcha" moment in the rest of that post, I'm struggling to see it. You cite one of my comments from July that I've been very, very consistent about.
Are people seriously arguing that a player who wouldn't play at all might help the team more than a first rounder who would?
