2023 College Football Discussion

[MikeIsGood]

Market household numbers are the it factor in driving Conference TV deals. Any regional TV deals, sports aside.

[ReasonablySober]

Market household numbers are the it factor in driving Conference TV deals. Any regional TV deals, sports aside.

Again, I ask you: why did the Pac 12 die? It had LA and the Bay Area. The contracts expire in 2024 and sports media deals are exploding. You can't even blame Larry Scott.

[MikeIsGood]

Market household numbers are the it factor in driving Conference TV deals. Any regional TV deals, sports aside.

Again, I ask you: why did the Pac 12 die? It had LA and the Bay Area. The contracts expire in 2024 and sports media deals are exploding. You can't even blame Larry Scott.

They died because the largest schools were in debt, needed more money, knew they could join a conference with more than twice the size and annual cash flow, and jumped ship. Without those largest schools, the rest of the conference equates to a mid major.

Pac 12 didn’t have New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, DC metros, Chicago, and all of our other footprints. We offer like $40M more annually to USC and UCLA. And it was mutually beneficial to gain the LA market.

The end.

[ReasonablySober]

Market household numbers are the it factor in driving Conference TV deals. Any regional TV deals, sports aside.

Again, I ask you: why did the Pac 12 die? It had LA and the Bay Area. The contracts expire in 2024 and sports media deals are exploding. You can't even blame Larry Scott.

They died because the largest schools were in debt, needed more money, knew they could join a conference with more than twice the size and annual cash flow, and jumped ship. Without those largest schools, the rest of the conference equates to a mid major.

Pac 12 didn’t have New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, DC metros, Chicago, and all of our other footprints. We offer like $40M more annually to USC and UCLA. And it was mutually beneficial to gain the LA market.

The end.

Rutgers and Maryland are doing a lot of work here and no one watches their games.

[midranger]

Again, I ask you: why did the Pac 12 die? It had LA and the Bay Area. The contracts expire in 2024 and sports media deals are exploding. You can't even blame Larry Scott.

They died because the largest schools were in debt, needed more money, knew they could join a conference with more than twice the size and annual cash flow, and jumped ship. Without those largest schools, the rest of the conference equates to a mid major.

Pac 12 didn’t have New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, DC metros, Chicago, and all of our other footprints. We offer like $40M more annually to USC and UCLA. And it was mutually beneficial to gain the LA market.

The end.

Rutgers and Maryland are doing a lot of work here and no one watches their games.

Correct.

[midranger]

Part of the issue for the PAC 12 was also that they had diluted their big markets with multiple schools, and the rest of the west has essentially zero people. 2 LA schools, 2 SF schools, 2 Washington/Arizona/Oregon schools.

They had a small pie, split too many ways.

This same thing will happen to the sec if they don’t expand their geographic footprint and end up taking Clemson, FSU, Louisville, Baylor, TCU, TT, Ok St or something. Much better football schools than many alternatives, but it would kill that conference.

[MikeIsGood]

Again, I ask you: why did the Pac 12 die? It had LA and the Bay Area. The contracts expire in 2024 and sports media deals are exploding. You can't even blame Larry Scott.

They died because the largest schools were in debt, needed more money, knew they could join a conference with more than twice the size and annual cash flow, and jumped ship. Without those largest schools, the rest of the conference equates to a mid major.

Pac 12 didn’t have New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, DC metros, Chicago, and all of our other footprints. We offer like $40M more annually to USC and UCLA. And it was mutually beneficial to gain the LA market.

The end.

Rutgers and Maryland are doing a lot of work here and no one watches their games.

And Penn State. But yep. It’s too bad no one watches their games because all those people are paying to watch them anyways. midranger’s map and how densely populated the New England states are populated is like the TLDR of the past three pages of the thread.

One of the interesting aspects of the Apple TV+ proposal is that it flips everything I’ve said on its head. Those households don’t have to pay for it - Apple DOES need to get subscription and viewership numbers. It would have been interesting to see how it worked out, but I think it’s ultimately not going to matter because the conference is going to fall apart first.

[midranger]

They died because the largest schools were in debt, needed more money, knew they could join a conference with more than twice the size and annual cash flow, and jumped ship. Without those largest schools, the rest of the conference equates to a mid major.

Pac 12 didn’t have New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, DC metros, Chicago, and all of our other footprints. We offer like $40M more annually to USC and UCLA. And it was mutually beneficial to gain the LA market.

The end.

Rutgers and Maryland are doing a lot of work here and no one watches their games.

And Penn State. But yep. It’s too bad no one watches their games because all those people are paying to watch them anyways. midranger’s map and how densely populated the New England states are populated is like the TLDR of the past three pages of the thread.

One of the interesting aspects of the Apple TV+ proposal is that it flips everything I’ve said on its head. Those households don’t have to pay for it - Apple DOES need to get subscription and viewership numbers. It would have been interesting to see how it worked out, but I think it’s ultimately not going to matter because the conference is going to fall apart first.

Yeah. PAC12 is obviously dying. Everyone knows it’ll be Big10 and SEC. No corp wants to pay big bucks for PAC12 once they add Boise State, Air Force, and Montana or something. If ACC’s contract was up right now, today, they’d be getting similar offers.

[ReasonablySober]

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[ReginaldDwight]

It was always going to be Oregon and Washington after USC and UCLA joined up. Basketball season should be more fun in the Big10 now.

[midranger]

It was always going to be Oregon and Washington after USC and UCLA joined up. Basketball season should be more fun in the Big10 now.

Oh….God….that Oregon floor.

Do not want.

[ReasonablySober]

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ASU next.

[midranger]

And so dies the PAC12.

The Big12 May cobble together enough 2nd tier teams to remain somewhat relevant, but outlook isn’t great.

[ReasonablySober]

That escalated fast and also way too slow. This could have all happened last year when UCLA and USC jumped.

[ReasonablySober]

Washington regents are meeting now, so I'd expect them to be joining the Big 10 by tomorrow afternoon.

[midranger]

Washington and Oregon seeking an additional $10 million per year in travel expenses to join Big Ten.

“Yeah, that’s going to be a no from me bro.”

Negotiating leverage gone.

[Mags FTW]

Universities with $1 billion+ endowments ask for more money.

Film at 11.

[MVP2110]

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[midranger]

Trying to leverage every last dollar out of their new conferences

[MVP2110]

There is no way these schools are going to sign that Apple TV deal right? That'd be suicide for them considering how much less $ they'd get then other P5 programs