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Re: 2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Training Camp Starts 7/25 

Post#1341 » by bizarro » Sat Aug 3, 2019 4:03 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Josh Jones is unhappy too. Wants to be traded. But they kept him because they think he'll help the team. He very well could still be traded but they didn't automatically dump him because he was unhappy. They would have done the same with Randall had they thought he could help. They didn't and traded for an inept QB. Bad trade.


I think it was a personnel error through and through - the many layers that kept Randall at CB, held onto Rollins, allowed Heyward and then Hyde (another potential PB Safety) to walk while opting in on the likes of Bryce. These were all FA, draft, and positional gambles that ultimately proved to be costly mistakes. Then the icing on the cake appears to be the overinvested evaluation of Kizer who is still clearly not an NFL caliber qb. Has an arm, yes, but the processing in real time; the accuracy; the dicision-making; the majority of throws - you know the criteria and merit of being an actual worthy NFL back-up...they just are not there. When I see Kizer I see a PS candidate. It was a bad trade. And, the overall Randall arc as a Packer is also fraught with miscalculation.
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Re: 2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Training Camp Starts 7/25 

Post#1342 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sat Aug 3, 2019 4:26 pm

Really the last few years should be called the hubris era. After a long run of success there was an organizational over confidence from the top down and they ignored some glaring problems.

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Re: 2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Training Camp Starts 7/25 

Post#1343 » by humanrefutation » Sat Aug 3, 2019 6:53 pm

My issue is less about trading Randall and more about what they got for him.

Randall obviously had some issues with that coaching staff and did have that one incident that sent him to the locker room during a game. But he wasn't untalented. He made some big plays. And he graded out as an above-average safety for the Browns last year. But he wasn't great for us, so I don't necessarily mind trading him. But if they were going to move him for whatever reason, they needed to get a reasonable return.

They clearly had a hard on for Kizer since his draft - there was talk they were considering drafting him in the first round before trading down - so it wasn't a surprise they wanted him. But it hasn't worked out and it sounds like there's a chance he'll slip off the roster. That's a pretty big flop.
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Re: 2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Training Camp Starts 7/25 

Post#1344 » by Treebeard » Sat Aug 3, 2019 8:23 pm

humanrefutation wrote:They clearly had a hard on for Kizer since his draft - there was talk they were considering drafting him in the first round before trading down - so it wasn't a surprise they wanted him. But it hasn't worked out and it sounds like there's a chance he'll slip off the roster. That's a pretty big flop.


I know its early yet, but does Kizer make the final roster if Wilkins and/or Boyle outperform him in August? Three QB's on the roster would be a luxury, two is more likely. If Rogers were to go down, the season would be in jeopardy anyway. None of Kizer, Boyle, or Wilkins is likely to carry the Pack into the playoffs.
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Re: 2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Training Camp Starts 7/25 

Post#1345 » by humanrefutation » Sat Aug 3, 2019 9:04 pm

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humanrefutation wrote:They clearly had a hard on for Kizer since his draft - there was talk they were considering drafting him in the first round before trading down - so it wasn't a surprise they wanted him. But it hasn't worked out and it sounds like there's a chance he'll slip off the roster. That's a pretty big flop.


I know its early yet, but does Kizer make the final roster if Wilkins and/or Boyle outperform him in August? Three QB's on the roster would be a luxury, two is more likely. If Rogers were to go down, the season would be in jeopardy anyway. None of Kizer, Boyle, or Wilkins is likely to carry the Pack into the playoffs.

I probably depends on Gute and LaFleur's perception of Kizer's potential. I'm sure Gute would be loathe to cut him after a season, but there's only so much time you can invest in a backup QB who looks like trash out there.
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Post#1346 » by rilamann » Sat Aug 3, 2019 9:25 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Really the last few years should be called the hubris era. After a long run of success there was an organizational over confidence from the top down and they ignored some glaring problems.

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Yeah, just a little bit lol. The Packer's incompetence as an organziaton squandered the prime of arguably the best quarterback to ever step on a football field. It's twice as frustrating, at least for me because I could see this coming over 10 years ago. Give Aaron Rodgers even a mediocre head coach and a mediocre defense and you go to multiple Super Bowls.
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Re: 2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Training Camp Starts 7/25 

Post#1347 » by PintSizedBox10 » Sat Aug 3, 2019 11:52 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Really the last few years should be called the hubris era. After a long run of success there was an organizational over confidence from the top down and they ignored some glaring problems.

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Oh, no doubt. It’ll look even worse if we never get back to another SB with Rodgers. At least in my opinion anyway. I thought we had a dynasty in the making after 2010.

The FO keeping Capers around for as long as they did is the most baffling aspect of it all to me.
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Re: 2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Training Camp Starts 7/25 

Post#1348 » by Dandridgefav » Sun Aug 4, 2019 1:17 am

TT & M3 FO's talent eval sucked For a draft and develop strategy they sucked Shows the BS of TT's "drafting the BPA" (was really TT just trading down until player he wanted was up) OR if he stood and draft BPA but b/c you need help more at diffferent position - you play the BPA at a spot he is not suited ala Hyde & Randall
Failing to recognize Heywood's talent despite his injury and failing to identify Hyde's position as a S and forcing him at CB burns me - because keeping them would have allowed us to draft different 1st & 2nd rd picks the next two years.
Now hopefully our new regime of Gute & LaFleur will have patience with King

I expect Boyle as sole backup this season. UNLESS Kizer - never mind - he just won't
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Re: 2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Training Camp Starts 7/25 

Post#1350 » by CWoodfan » Sun Aug 4, 2019 8:29 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Really the last few years should be called the hubris era. After a long run of success there was an organizational over confidence from the top down and they ignored some glaring problems.

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Yeah, just a little bit lol. The Packer's incompetence as an organziaton squandered the prime of arguably the best quarterback to ever step on a football field. It's twice as frustrating, at least for me because I could see this coming over 10 years ago. Give Aaron Rodgers even a mediocre head coach and a mediocre defense and you go to multiple Super Bowls.


How sad but true.

Rodgers covered up a lot of organizational deficiencies for a number of years. I mean the D was absolutely pathetic in 2016 and the team still got to the NFC Championship game.

But Aaron got old and injured, McCarthy could not succeed without him, Dom's defenses continued to suck just without the O bailing them out time after time, and Ted just sat there looking off into space.
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Post#1351 » by BUCKnation » Sun Aug 4, 2019 8:52 pm

I just assume Kevin King will miss half the year, just like someone like Nick Perry previously.
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Post#1352 » by Profound23 » Sun Aug 4, 2019 8:58 pm

BUCKnation wrote:I just assume Kevin King will miss half the year, just like someone like Nick Perry previously.


Speaking of Perry, I’m shocked he hasn’t signed with anyone yet. Even a one year/3 mil deal or something. I knew his contract was awful when we signed him, didn’t realize it was this bad.
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Post#1353 » by MickeyDavis » Sun Aug 4, 2019 11:03 pm

In early June, Jordy Nelson said he planned to retire from the NFL as a member of the Green Bay Packers, the team for which he played 10 seasons and won a Super Bowl.

On Sunday, the club made it official by announcing that Nelson has told the team of that intention. He will meet the media Tuesday at 9:30 a.m. in advance of the Packers’ joint practice with the Houston Texans.

The move is largely ceremonial. The Packers won't sign Nelson to a one-day contract as some teams do when they allow a player to retire with them. It avoids unnecessary roster moves and the possibility of the NFL asking Nelson to submit to a drug test, as the league did recently when former running back Steven Jackson (who retired in 2015) signed a one-day deal to retire as a member of the Los Angeles Rams.
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Post#1354 » by Wisky4life » Mon Aug 5, 2019 3:44 am

BUCKnation wrote:I just assume Kevin King will miss half the year, just like someone like Nick Perry previously.


Just hope when it is the last year on his deal he doesn't ball out. Give him a beefy contract and he falls off a cliff again like Perry.

I want him to play well but those injuries are just devastating.
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Re: 2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Training Camp Starts 7/25 

Post#1355 » by midranger » Mon Aug 5, 2019 1:59 pm

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In early June, Jordy Nelson said he planned to retire from the NFL as a member of the Green Bay Packers, the team for which he played 10 seasons and won a Super Bowl.

On Sunday, the club made it official by announcing that Nelson has told the team of that intention. He will meet the media Tuesday at 9:30 a.m. in advance of the Packers’ joint practice with the Houston Texans.

The move is largely ceremonial. The Packers won't sign Nelson to a one-day contract as some teams do when they allow a player to retire with them. It avoids unnecessary roster moves and the possibility of the NFL asking Nelson to submit to a drug test, as the league did recently when former running back Steven Jackson (who retired in 2015) signed a one-day deal to retire as a member of the Los Angeles Rams.

Gotta protect the shield by making sure guys on ceremonial one day contracts aren’t smoking weed and the roster isn’t one guy too high over the current razor thin allowance.

The nfl is completely ridiculous.

Also, fare you well my Jordy.
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Re: 2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Training Camp Starts 7/25 

Post#1357 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Aug 5, 2019 3:06 pm

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BUCKnation wrote:I just assume Kevin King will miss half the year, just like someone like Nick Perry previously.


Speaking of Perry, I’m shocked he hasn’t signed with anyone yet. Even a one year/3 mil deal or something. I knew his contract was awful when we signed him, didn’t realize it was this bad.
I'm surprised too Perry was bad last season but prior to that he was a useful player when he could stay on the field. Even outside of the year he got sacks he was always very good against the run. I expect him to land someplace soon.

King is in risk of falling into the Perry category of a guy who just can't stay healthy. It's a shame because I do think he can play.

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Post#1359 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Aug 5, 2019 4:36 pm

It'd be such a pleasant surprise if Gary, after generally being considered a bust at Michigan, unlocked all that ridiculous potential as a pro.
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