Packers News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - 2023 Off Season

[Treebeard]

Whenever the day comes when Gute, LaFleur, and Rogers write thei memoirs, there's going to be three wildly divergent tales told, I'd guess.

[Finn]

I am so happy I no longer get angry & frustrated like many of you do over things far out of my control. With age comes a bit of wisdom I guess.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I am so happy I no longer get angry & frustrated like many of you do over things far out of my control. With age comes a bit of wisdom I guess.

That switch flipped for me the winter/spring of 2015. The Packers ripped my my heart out in Seattle and then my first kid was born in April on the day the Badgers lost the national championship game. (That loss wasn't too painful since I didn't go to Madison or really care about college sports). The combo made me realize sports are a fun distraction and not something to get actually upset about.

Ryen Russillo has mentioned a few times how getting older makes you less certain about your sports opinions. I think it's very true, I've seen enough 'sure thing' busts and games go much different than expected. Now after I draft I'm mostly like 'who knows' when evaluating.

I've also stopped thinking every outcome has some logical reason for happening. Sometimes a team just doesn't play well that day or there's a lucky bounce. Not everything has some deeper meaning sometimes **** just happens.

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[Ryan5UW]

Whenever the day comes when Gute, LaFleur, and Rogers write thei memoirs, there's going to be three wildly divergent tales told, I'd guess.

It's kind of going to be like The Last Duel lol

[ReasonablySober]

I am so happy I no longer get angry & frustrated like many of you do over things far out of my control. With age comes a bit of wisdom I guess.

That switch flipped for me the winter/spring of 2015. The Packers ripped my my heart out in Seattle and then my first kid was born in April on the day the Badgers lost the national championship game. (That loss wasn't too painful since I didn't go to Madison or really care about college sports). The combo made me realize sports are a fun distraction and not something to get actually upset about.

Ryen Russillo has mentioned a few times how getting older makes you less certain about your sports opinions. I think it's very true, I've seen enough 'sure thing' busts and games go much different than expected. Now after I draft I'm mostly like 'who knows' when evaluating.

I've also stopped thinking every outcome has some logical reason for happening. Sometimes a team just doesn't play well that day or there's a lucky bounce. Not everything has some deeper meaning sometimes **** just happens.

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My big example of this is the draft. It's always been my favorite sporting event of the year. I used to lose my mind over draft picks, and now I just sigh and hope I'm wrong because the Packers literally never draft the players I want.

[ReasonablySober]

As for the actual game that broke me, it was the debacle in Seattle for the NFC Championship. Nothing could hurt me after that.

[LUKE23]

As for the actual game that broke me, it was the debacle in Seattle for the NFC Championship. Nothing could hurt me after that.

I wouldn't say nothing could hurt me after that, but nothing would ever kill me to that level. I was in Los Cabos for that game, hammered, and ended up shattering a beer bottle over a table. I vowed never again to get that upset over a sporting event. But that game was easily the hardest to take of any I've witnessed. Usually, I'm over the game within an hour or so, that one took me like two weeks.

[Ron Swanson]

Interesting how no one ever says the 2008 NFCCG. Maybe people were just expecting us to lose in the SB to the unbeaten Pats? Favre sealing our fate (and his own) with the bonehead interception to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Hasn't been a great run for 'ol Brett since then...

[WeekapaugGroove]

Yeah that Seattle game is probably a lot Packers fans low point. I live in AZ and was so excited to do the whole super bowl week **** and was going to try to get a ticket for the game. I remember taking a long ass walk by myself afterwards and smoking like a half pack of cigs.

The loss to the Broncos in the Super Bowl is right up there too. I never saw that one coming but knew it was trouble pretty early. Was a college freshman and proceeded to get so drunk I barley remembered the end.

While it was an early season game with far less stakes the **** 'fail Mary' game in Seattle is one of the most irrate I've ever been after a sporting event.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Interesting how no one ever says the 2008 NFCCG. Maybe people were just expecting us to lose in the SB to the unbeaten Pats? Favre sealing our fate (and his own) with the bonehead interception to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Hasn't been a great run for 'ol Brett since then...

Oh that one hurt too but in a weird way I never felt great about that game while it was happening while the Seattle game I thought was over at a couple points.

**** super bowl was in AZ that year too.. I'm cursed

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[Treebeard]

FWIW: Kylin Hill has been activated. Superbowl three-peet coming ahead

Kidding aside, how long before he gets integrated to regular game play? (i.e. replacing Amari....)

[jakecronus8]

I think the anger here directed at Gutekunst is warranted but not for the lack of trades.

His death warrant was sealed the day they signed Rodgers to perhaps the least team friendly contract is history.

[th87]

As for the actual game that broke me, it was the debacle in Seattle for the NFC Championship. Nothing could hurt me after that.

Life changing. Funk for months.

Quit fantasy football after that and never looked back. Could get over losses a lot faster.

While I do care less (can skip games now, which was unheard of before), I now realize I've also added a mental background approach of "I know you guys are going to blow it, just wait." This has helped me overcome my moral dilemma of emotional hedge betting against my team, which has in turn helped pay for kitchen renovations.

That said, I still get annoyed over wasted potential due to incompetence, hence my ire at the FO (and Capers/Pettine/Barry), and the Game of Thrones showrunners.

[ReasonablySober]

In the WaPo's deadline winners and losers:

The sputtering and spiraling Green Bay Packers — despite both overt and behind-the-scenes cries for more receiving help from their future Hall of Fame quarterback — did not make a single move of significance in the weeks leading up to the deadline or at the cutoff itself. They stood pat despite the culture of the league changing to a degree that fostered so many blockbuster deals and despite so many potential pass catchers being dealt (and many more made available). Given the ever-rocky relationship between the Packers’ front office and Aaron Rodgers, expect to hear plenty about it, from the loose-lipped quarterback for starters, particularly if the team’s four-game losing streak portends where this season is headed.

“It’s surprising with so many receivers available,” said a personnel executive with a different NFL team that was active at the deadline. (He spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not permitted to publicly discuss internal trade conversations or other team’s transactions.) “I really thought they were going to get [former first-round pick Kadarius] Toney,” who was dealt from the New York Giants to the Kansas City Chiefs last week. “He would have fit what they do,” the executive said. “I thought they would do something to try get the passing game going.”

Dolphins add Bradley Chubb on active NFL trade deadline day

Another GM agreed the Packers’ inactivity was a potential pitfall.

“No disrespect and I really like those guys, but there is still some of that old school in them, from when [longtime general manager] Ted [Thompson] was there,” said the GM, who is under similar restrictions about discussing other teams. “The league is really changing, and if you are trying to win, then you’ve got to be willing to part with picks and be more aggressive. But they also might be looking at it like they just gave their quarterback $50 million [a year] and he isn’t like [Drew] Brees or [Tom] Brady. There wasn’t any discount so they could spread it around to other guys. He wanted every penny, and they might be sending a message back to him now.”

Said another GM: “Must be a f---ed up place.”

Here's what Rodgers had to say:

"The compensation for whatever players we were going after just didn't make sense," Rodgers said Wednesday, via USA Today's Ryan Wood. "So I trust (Packers general manager) Brian (Gutekunst), and we had some good conversations. We were in on some things. It just didn't pan out."

Rodgers can ride the company line in this setting, considering Green Bay has invested in the position in the last six months, drafting three receivers -- Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs and Samori Toure -- including two in the first four rounds (Watson and Doubs). He can feign contentment with the situation, at least regarding the efforts made to add pass-catchers.

But the quarterback has also let his true feelings fly regarding the young group of targets, both publicly and privately. Instead of doing so Wednesday, Rodgers responded simply: We're all we've got.

"That's not my area of focus. Brian didn't think whatever was out there was worth whatever was required of what was given up," Rodgers said when asked if the Packers should have made a deal. "That just sends a message to us that we've got to play with the guys we've got and win with the guys we've got."

[Big Dog Yank]

In the WaPo's deadline winners and losers:

The sputtering and spiraling Green Bay Packers — despite both overt and behind-the-scenes cries for more receiving help from their future Hall of Fame quarterback — did not make a single move of significance in the weeks leading up to the deadline or at the cutoff itself. They stood pat despite the culture of the league changing to a degree that fostered so many blockbuster deals and despite so many potential pass catchers being dealt (and many more made available). Given the ever-rocky relationship between the Packers’ front office and Aaron Rodgers, expect to hear plenty about it, from the loose-lipped quarterback for starters, particularly if the team’s four-game losing streak portends where this season is headed.

“It’s surprising with so many receivers available,” said a personnel executive with a different NFL team that was active at the deadline. (He spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not permitted to publicly discuss internal trade conversations or other team’s transactions.) “I really thought they were going to get [former first-round pick Kadarius] Toney,” who was dealt from the New York Giants to the Kansas City Chiefs last week. “He would have fit what they do,” the executive said. “I thought they would do something to try get the passing game going.”

Dolphins add Bradley Chubb on active NFL trade deadline day

Another GM agreed the Packers’ inactivity was a potential pitfall.

“No disrespect and I really like those guys, but there is still some of that old school in them, from when [longtime general manager] Ted [Thompson] was there,” said the GM, who is under similar restrictions about discussing other teams. “The league is really changing, and if you are trying to win, then you’ve got to be willing to part with picks and be more aggressive. But they also might be looking at it like they just gave their quarterback $50 million [a year] and he isn’t like [Drew] Brees or [Tom] Brady. There wasn’t any discount so they could spread it around to other guys. He wanted every penny, and they might be sending a message back to him now.”

Said another GM: “Must be a f---ed up place.”

Here's what Rodgers had to say:

"The compensation for whatever players we were going after just didn't make sense," Rodgers said Wednesday, via USA Today's Ryan Wood. "So I trust (Packers general manager) Brian (Gutekunst), and we had some good conversations. We were in on some things. It just didn't pan out."

Rodgers can ride the company line in this setting, considering Green Bay has invested in the position in the last six months, drafting three receivers -- Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs and Samori Toure -- including two in the first four rounds (Watson and Doubs). He can feign contentment with the situation, at least regarding the efforts made to add pass-catchers.

But the quarterback has also let his true feelings fly regarding the young group of targets, both publicly and privately. Instead of doing so Wednesday, Rodgers responded simply: We're all we've got.

"That's not my area of focus. Brian didn't think whatever was out there was worth whatever was required of what was given up," Rodgers said when asked if the Packers should have made a deal. "That just sends a message to us that we've got to play with the guys we've got and win with the guys we've got."

I fully realize that this team wasn't going anywhere no matter what we did at the deadline and that as a diehard Green & Gold fan I'm prone to overreacting. I get all of that. BUT, reading stuff like this makes me think that we are careening towards becoming a Herb-Kohlesque franchise who is being passed by by a rapidly-changing league. And what's frightening is that we won't have a new ownership group that will come in and save the day. Don't get me wrong, part of me LOVES that the Pack have no owner. No big ego to deal with (I know, I know, MM has an ego the size of Gilbert Brown's ass), no threatening to move the team, no bizarre meddling, etc. All of that is great, but it's accompanied with no restlessness that prompts an all-in directive and no outside perspective that shakes up a stale operational approach.

When Herb owned the Bucks, we all knew we were being run like a mom and pop corner market, but even some of the most jaded of us had to be shocked at how bad things were once LED came in and spruced everything in the organization up (I'm speaking from purely an operational standpoint, not about the on-the-court product). I'm just afraid that things in the front office are even worse than they seem and the reason we are always thisclose to getting someone but always coming up short is because we are that far behind the curve and losing more and more ground by the week.

Now you may say I'm taking things too far and that it never will be that bad, but the evidence is already there. We know for sure that Ted was cognitively compromised for at least a few seasons before he was removed from his position. Now that was a terrible situation and it certainly wasn't his fault, but do you really think had we had an owner that Ted would've been GM after his stroke(s)? Look at the current situation, Murphy has made himself the primary decision maker for everything football related, but I think he's too busy trying to monetize the hell out of every square inch of the Titletown District. Not that that's a bad thing, per se, but I don't think he's fully focused on the on-field product. And once Murphy moves on, we'll bring in another guy who the Board likes and is probably cut from the same cloth as the rest of them.

Again, maybe I'm just overreacting. Maybe these are just the nonsensical ramblings of a frustrated fan. Maybe luck will finally bounce in our favor next year and we'll be back to our winning ways. Maybe. But I haven't liked anything our front office has done in quite some time and have little faith that they are the ones to turn things around.

[jakecronus8]

As for the actual game that broke me, it was the debacle in Seattle for the NFC Championship. Nothing could hurt me after that.

Life changing. Funk for months.

Quit fantasy football after that and never looked back. Could get over losses a lot faster.

While I do care less (can skip games now, which was unheard of before), I now realize I've also added a mental background approach of "I know you guys are going to blow it, just wait." This has helped me overcome my moral dilemma of emotional hedge betting against my team, which has in turn helped pay for kitchen renovations.

That said, I still get annoyed over wasted potential due to incompetence, hence my ire at the FO (and Capers/Pettine/Barry), and the Game of Thrones showrunners.

That Seattle game..just wow. That was a championship team and the last hurrah for that old guard. I almost broke both knee caps on the fake field goal. That ball floated in the air for like ten minutes while I watched cement shoes himself AJ Hawk chase after the receiver waiting to catch it. Just fell to my knees on concrete floors.

[PintSizedBox10]

Bostick ended up the scapegoat, but Cliton-Dix failed in an even worse way. Allowing that prayer of a two point conversion pass to be completed was pathetic. Go back and watch that play if you can stomach it. Downright embarrassing effort

[ReasonablySober]

I think back then an article came out with 12 specific moments where had the Packers not dicked up even one of them, they would have won.

But yea, I haven't cared about any sports like that since that game.

[dedned]

Why sign Rodgers if you are not willing to give up picks? Those picks will not even make a gd difference while we still have Rodgers. Unless they're giving up this season and holding on to the picks to deal this off season.

[MickeyDavis]

The Seattle game was a turning point for me too. I still get pissed after every loss, especially playoffs. But nothing like I used to.