2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Cut Day Saturday

[Reddeye]

https://youtu.be/SsF8lo8TOk4

Not concerned about Allisons speed. Dude plays WAY faster then his 40 time

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Do you have any other plays? That is against a busted coverage. I would think any NFL wr would score on that play. I remember the td in the opener against the Bears, but that was a great throw and catch. There wasn't much separation.

[Finn]

So you guys thought I didn't know that MVS had speed?

Well, you seemed to ignore him totally in the post I replied to. And you talked about having speed opposite Adams in 2 WR sets.

So what's your logic for excluding MVS?

Your wrote - "Allison and Kumerow seem like the same guy. Kumerow probably has better hands. I doubt it will happen, but I would rather have the potential of Moore or Davis than Allison. Moore has to get over the drops, but he is definitely a more talented player than Allison. Also I think they will use a lot of 2 wrs sets this year with either 2 tes or a FB on the field. In that case I would rather have a guy with some speed opposite Adams on the other side of the field."

I didn't ignore him. He is a lock to make the team. Hopefully he is the guy that is in 2 wr sets with Adams. I guess the point of my post was about keeping a more explosive player over Allison or Kumerow.

Well that certainly wasn't clear to me. But I'm glad you didn't forget MVS was on the team!

[Dandridgefav]

DEFENSE
IL-5- Clark / Adams / Lowry / Kingsley / Lancaster
ED-5- Smith / Smith / Gary / Fackrell / Gilbert
IB-4- Martinez / Owens / Young / Bolton
CB-6- King / Alexander / Williams /Brown / Jackson / Hollman
FS-4- Savage / Amos / Greene / Redmond

24 just misssed - FBrown, Crawford
Redmon could be cut for a better S at cutdown

OFFENSE
LT 2– Bahktiari / Light
RT 2– Bulaga /
LG 2– Taylor / Jones
RG 2– Turner / McKinney
C 2– Linsey / Patrick
TE 4– Graham / Tonyon / Mercedes / Sternberger
WR 6– Adams / Alison / MVS / Kumerow / EQ / Shepherd
RB 4– Jones / Williams / Williams / (FB)-Valley
QB 3– Rodgers / Kizer / Boyle

26 – close but no cigar = Davis Moore Madison
Had Davis not got hurt I think he would have made it - so they need a return guy-Shepherd. Davis was so good on ST and was playing well at WR. Hope Shep steps up.
Madison to PS
If no WR gets hurt Moore traded for a low pick? - 6th?
Will Sternberger go to IR?
Maybe Pack snags a old vet LT who still has one solid year in him at final cut down to give depth at 2nd most important position. Maybe even give a 6th to team who is on the fense of keeing the old vet or sinxe they have e new kid for sure stsrting - the pick makes up their minds.

EJenkins?


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Yes thank you - brain fart Actually think Jenkins can beat & replace Taylor at LG. Then a battle between Taylor McKinney, Patrick & Madison for 3 interior spots + Light at swing OT. Maybe save an active roster spot and carry only 8 on 53 man roster - Pack has done that before. It would be - Light, Patrick, McKinney on 53 with Madison G-C & Ninjan OT (spelling?) on PS.

[RRyder823]

https://youtu.be/SsF8lo8TOk4

Not concerned about Allisons speed. Dude plays WAY faster then his 40 time

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Do you have any other plays? That is against a busted coverage. I would think any NFL wr would score on that play. I remember the td in the opener against the Bears, but that was a great throw and catch. There wasn't much separation.

I could care less about the busted coverage on that play. It's about how fast he ran on it.

Also I've watched more then enough of Allison to know he plays WAY faster then his 40 time. Surprised that's actually controversial

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[jimmybones]

Lol yeah I’m pretty sure MVS exact role is to be big and fast

So you guys thought I didn't know that MVS had speed?

Don't remove the context of the part following that, come on. The whole point is his role in using that size and speed to spread the field. My comment was about what his physical attributes can be in the offense, not that you didn't know they existed.


Also regarding G-Mo and speed: I don't think fast is a word I think of when it comes to him. Big, good hands, reliable, reasonably athletic, but not "fast."

[MickeyDavis]

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[vegaspacker]

Jake looked great last pee-season against scrubs, hope he looks as good against starters all year. I am a little skeptical but very hopeful.

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[Treebeard]

^^^^^ One of those truisms for every preseason, don't lose time to injury. Davis needs to be worried about losing the benefit of a good start to camp.

Sheperd and Lazard are stealing his lunch money right now

[bizarro]

^^^^^ One of those truisms for every preseason, don't lose time to injury. Davis needs to be worried about losing the benefit of a good start to camp.

Sheperd and Lazard are stealing his lunch money right now

The deeper issues with Davis are: he’s pretty much been injured for prolonged periods of time every season and he doesn’t have an ounce of successful WR on his resumé. I would say, right now, he is behind both and is looking at having to leapfrog them.

[PintSizedBox10]

I really don’t see the incentive in keeping Davis. He’s pretty much shown nothing as a receiver up to this point, and to top it off he can’t stay healthy.

We might as well go with one of the younger guys.

[Balls2TheWalls]

I think that any amount that Shep and Lazard are pushing Davis is overstated. While healthy Trevor Davis is an elite punt returner. He averages 12 yards per return for his career. You can get on him for not being healthy right now, but having Lonnie Johnson put 2 of our players out for 2 preseason games for heavy contact during non contact drills is much more of a discipline issue for the Texans than a health issue for the Packers. People playing dangerously when other players are purposely not defending themselves is not something I can get on Davis or Sternberger about. Davis, for me, would have to show almost nothing to make this roster.

If you want to keep Shep or Lazard (and I think that Lazard would get exposed if he had to get minutes in the regular season), then I think that EQ is the guy you consider on the bubble. Having 2 return men on the roster that don't include Jaire Alexander, would be an ideal situation for the Packers.

[PintSizedBox10]

I think that any amount that Shep and Lazard are pushing Davis is overstated. While healthy Trevor Davis is an elite punt returner. He averages 12 yards per return for his career. You can get on him for not being healthy right now, but having Lonnie Johnson put 2 of our players out for 2 preseason games for heavy contact during non contact drills is much more of a discipline issue for the Texans than a health issue for the Packers. People playing dangerously when other players are purposely not defending themselves is not something I can get on Davis or Sternberger about. Davis, for me, would have to show almost nothing to make this roster.

If you want to keep Shep or Lazard (and I think that Lazard would get exposed if he had to get minutes in the regular season), then I think that EQ is the guy you consider on the bubble. Having 2 return men on the roster that don't include Jaire Alexander, would be an ideal situation for the Packers.

I don’t think we can say Davis is an elite punt returner when he only 37 total returns and 0 TDs. The 12yards per is nice but it’s a very small sample size.

[Balls2TheWalls]

It also helps that he is the #1 KR, #1 PR, and one of your best gunners. His value is ignored, frequently. His health may be a concern, but his current injury is not something that I'm willing to lump into his "always injured" tag. If someone is trying to lay you out during a non contact drill, that person is a turd. He has already cost us 4 actual games of film for players we were hoping to have be contributors.

He has had game changing returns for us. He has 37 more returns in regular season games than the guys you are willing to throw him away for. For me, if you want to keep Shepherd, you cut EQ. Geronimo and Kumerow are more than capable of giving you the production you get from EQ.

[Treebeard]

There seems to be the implication lately that Moore is already out of the discussion. People do note that he has talent for getting open, but really struggles with pass catching technique - more than just bad hands

[crkone]

Shepherd returned 44 punts for 13.1 yard per return and a TD in college. That's more that 3X as many punts as Trevor Davis returned in college at 5 more yards per return. He was All American 3rd team for returning. He didn't return KOs but in today's game just throw someone back there who can catch it.

[raysbookclub]

I know Davis is supposed to be our top return guy, but I never really liked him as a returner. He had a couple long returns, but I mostly remember him making poor decisions, repeatedly, especially on punts. He was also supposed to be a speed stretch-the-field WR, but he never caught any long passes. Plus he's been injury-prone. Not sure why he'd be kept over Shepherd at this point.

[Ron Swanson]

I was one of Davis' bigger backers over the last few years, but at some point you stop being a "project guy" and the reality sets in that you just kinda suck at doing basic WR things. We did the same thing with Janis and he probably stuck on the roster for too long because of it. Can't have guys like that soaking up valuable roster spots. If Shepherd can return punts then I don't care that he's not quite as elite as Davis in that regard. He looks like he's already light years ahead of him as an overall wideout.

[crkone]

https://theathletic.com/1146327/

Lou encouraged Darrius to play multiple sports because it would make him better at football. Work on your crossover in basketball, Lou said, because it’ll make you quicker off the line of scrimmage as a wide receiver. Practice catching baseballs in center field, he advised, because it’ll improve your hand-eye coordination and help you catch footballs.

Lou’s best attribute as a football player was his knowledge of the game. Packers veterans have already noticed Shepherd’s high football IQ, for which he credits his father.

“Shep literally knows protections that I don’t know,” Pro Bowl receiver Davante Adams said. “I don’t know really any of the protections, and he’s got a few of them down already. That just shows the edge that he has. … I don’t know how useful the protection and knowing that is going to be for him, but that’s just another thing that he’s got on the next guy.

“I have a lot of respect for him.”
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Lou battled health issues for most of his life, starting with kidney failure when he was a kid. When he was diagnosed with cancer in 2016, doctors didn’t know why. They ran tests to see if the immunosuppressive drugs Lou took for his kidney transplants caused it, but they never found the tumor’s origin.

One doctor even called it a “freak cancer,” Amy said.
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Six months before Lou died, despite the fact he could barely walk at the game, he watched Darrius catch the only touchdown of his redshirt junior season, a 50-yard score in North Dakota State’s national championship game win against James Madison.

Just two months before he died, he watched Darrius receive his diploma. Graduating wasn’t a big deal to Darrius, but “it meant the world” to Lou.

To have his father watch those two moments in person, landmark moments that may not have been possible without Lou’s guidance, offered Darrius solace.

After Lou died last July, nine of Shepherd’s NDSU teammates, five coaches and the school’s athletic director flew down to Missouri together. They knew how much Shepherd’s father meant to him.
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Last fall, his younger sister Cheyenne was nominated for homecoming queen at Blue Springs High School. Usually, fathers walk arm in arm with their daughters during the ceremony, but Lou passed away several months prior.

Amy asked her son if he wanted to fly down for the ceremony and walk with his sister instead because NDSU didn’t play that week, but Darrius said he may have practice. He asked then-NDSU head coach Chris Klieman if he could be excused to join his sister. Klieman loved the idea.

“Shep would’ve done anything for any of his brothers at North Dakota State,” Klieman said. “We were trying to do whatever we could for him and his family.”

Shepherd landed on a Friday morning, and Amy dropped him off at a friend’s house to hide. His sister had no idea he was there. As Amy walked her daughter down a ramp leading to the field, ready to let her walk out alone in front of the crowd, Darrius was hiding around the corner.

He popped out, walked alongside his sister as Dad for the day and the crowd erupted.

“She was so excited to see me,” Shepherd said. “It was just a really good moment for my family, especially my mom and my brother and sister, just being able to all be together for that special moment for her.”

“People were crying and cheering,” Amy said. “It was a really special moment. She didn’t win, but you wouldn’t have known it from that night.”

More in the article but it's a pretty good one on Shepherd.