Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Adams Traded to Raiders for 2022 1st and 2nd Rd Picks

[M-C-G]

I think that when you have a HoF QB you shouldn't be rushing to trade him and should use him until the last drop, and then, after he is done, you will have plenty of time to maybe find another one.

I think lots of people agree with you and trust me, I get the appeal of it, you never know how long until you are a contender again. And like I said, I hope we win a title.

My view, this was the perfect season to start the rebuild and sending Rodgers and Adams out to bring back 7 top 100 picks in the next two drafts would have been a home run. But again, I get why some would prefer to hang on to the bitter end, I just think it could have been a mistake.

[coolhandluke121]

At first glance, it may seem weird to not go even more all-in when you've already gone this far, but matching the LV contract, let alone outbidding them, would be beyond the pale for me - and that's before you even consider the picks they got. In the Favre/Rodgers era, we've had to replace Sharpe, Brooks, Freeman, Driver, Walker, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Cobb, and probably a few other good WR's I'm forgetting, not to mention a few TE's and receiving RB's. Granted, sometimes it has taken a year to get another really good one, and they're in no position to waste a year if that's what it comes to. But frankly I'd rather take that risk, counterbalanced of course by the extra opportunities to draft a few solid WR's, than the risk of the contract Davante got.

I don't trust Douglas's success last year. If you think about it, his great year is partly just a matter of a few plays that could have easily gone the other way and been busted coverages when he hunted interceptions, and by the way he had a few such plays that you normally don't tolerate from a starting CB as well. Like 320-foot home runs in baseball, just a few of those plays can go the other way in the following season and suddenly you're looking at a completely different player evaluation, despite the player basically doing the exact same thing. Contrast that with Campbell's great year, where he was in the right place and made a good play that many ILB's don't make literally dozens of times a game, and I think there's much more basis to trust Campbell than Douglas.

[Treebeard]

I think that when you have a HoF QB you shouldn't be rushing to trade him and should use him until the last drop, and then, after he is done, you will have plenty of time to maybe find another one.

I think lots of people agree with you and trust me, I get the appeal of it, you never know how long until you are a contender again. And like I said, I hope we win a title.

My view, this was the perfect season to start the rebuild and sending Rodgers and Adams out to bring back 7 top 100 picks in the next two drafts would have been a home run. But again, I get why some would prefer to hang on to the bitter end, I just think it could have been a mistake.

Agreed on all counts.

Also, I think there's a ton of expectations that Rogers continues this season with a threepeat MVP level performance. I don't see that as a reasonable expectation. We've already seen one set of down years, due to slower recovery from nagging injuries and a high mileage 39 year old body taking progressively longer to heal. (But, but, but, but Brady ).

Too much cap sunk into three guys, with up and comers to be paid was not going to get it done. Not this year and even less down the road.

I hope to hell that I'm wrong about the limitations of this season, but I think we were looking at holding a bag of Cap cow crap by the end.

[LUKE23]

While it is generally rare to be better off losing an all-time great, HOF talent, I think this is one situation where that could be the case.

For one, the recent evidence on WR production once guys hit 30 is pretty damning. Now, in general, some of HOF greats have bucked that trend, but it's still a possibility that Adams isn't producing anywhere close to his contract for the back half.

Now, that doesn't help us at all for 2022. But that said, if this allows us to retain Douglas, add Juju and/or keep MVS, and draft one or two WR in the first four picks, we could be a better team in 2022.

My biggest complaint with this deal is that if they knew DA wanted out (and from all reports this has been brewing for a while), you need to trade him prior to the WR FA market drying up. Because while draft picks are nice, counting almost exclusively on rookies (and meh talent like Lazard, Cobb, Amari) is a very risky proposition for an "all in" team.

Right now my hope is Juju, MVS, and Olave.

[LUKE23]

Also, I think the defense is going to be absolutely fantastic this year. Douglas as CB3, Gary with another year of improvement, and probably an edge or DL guy added in the top 60. With Douglas and Campbell retained this team's coverage ability in general is going to be absolutely elite.

[coolhandluke121]

I think that when you have a HoF QB you shouldn't be rushing to trade him and should use him until the last drop, and then, after he is done, you will have plenty of time to maybe find another one.

I think lots of people agree with you and trust me, I get the appeal of it, you never know how long until you are a contender again. And like I said, I hope we win a title.

My view, this was the perfect season to start the rebuild and sending Rodgers and Adams out to bring back 7 top 100 picks in the next two drafts would have been a home run. But again, I get why some would prefer to hang on to the bitter end, I just think it could have been a mistake.

I'm mostly on the latter side of things, but I'm totally at peace with it now. The Adams deal has helped take the kamikaze edge off their offseason plan. I didn't think I would want Rodgers back without Adams and I'm kind of surprised at my own gut reaction, but I'm gonna trust it for now. Expecting Rodgers and Adams to be a package deal was too simplistic of me.

I think keeping Rodgers and chasing at least one more ring is the rational move. I think wanting him gone had strong arguments too, but for me there was an emotional component of being frustrated at all the playoff losses in the last decade-plus. My emotional brain might not trust the move, but my rational brain does. This is a new year and they're still a strong contender. That's all I can ask for.

[M-C-G]

This draft by the way has some really polished WR and we should be able to get a starting tackle with that second rounder. So theoretically we got Campbell, Douglas, and one of MVS or Tonyan, plus (again just speculating) a starting WR like Garret Wilson, Chris Olave, Drake London, Jameson Williams AND a starting tackle

[LUKE23]

This draft by the way has some really polished WR and we should be able to get a starting tackle with that second rounder. So theoretically we got Campbell, Douglas, and one of MVS or Tonyan, plus (again just speculating) a starting WR like Garret Wilson, Chris Olave, Drake London, Jameson Williams AND a starting tackle

I want Olave or Williams. I'm willing to wait on Williams' injury because I think he's going to be a monster.

Agreed with you in general though. I could see in the top 4 picks:

WR
Edge/DL BPA
WR
RT

[coolhandluke121]

Right now my hope is Juju, MVS, and Olave.

I haven't seen enough of Juju to have a strong opinion, but MVS and Olave are near the top of my list as well. I want to keep Lazard too.

Someone said MVS hasn't improved at anything except reducing his drops, but that's kind of a big deal for him. And he did have more solid underneath/first down type routes last year than I can ever remember.

[LUKE23]

JuJu has averaged 75.5 yards receiving per games he's started in his career. His recent issues have been availability and some pretty loony non-football stuff. But he is 26 and has been productive, and I really think playing with the corpse of Roethlisberger diminshed his stats the last couple years.

[agiaco]

Definitely warmed up to the deal at this point. I have a lot more faith GB can retool the offense with Rodgers considering the talent we have on defense. Add 1-2 ring chasing vets to bolster the receiving corps (Landry, JuJu, Fuller, Jones, OBJ, etc.) and then a stud WR in the draft. Forces Aaron (hopefully in a good way) to expand his targets outside of Adams.

Would like to see more combinations of both Jones and Dillon in the game with Jones lining up as a receiver. Always wished we drafted D.K. but maybe there's a possibility of acquiring. Think retaining Douglas is the right move too. With the historically bad defensive backfield I like having as much playmaking ability as possible.

[Treebeard]

JuJu has averaged 75.5 yards receiving per games he's started in his career. His recent issues have been availability and some pretty loony non-football stuff. But he is 26 and has been productive, and I really think playing with the corpse of Roethlisberger diminshed his stats the last couple years.

The Steelers Receivers had a wierd year. Juju with the ups and downs Luke23 lists, Dionte Johnson with absolutely stellar plays and critical drops and route errors, and Claypool also with stellar plays inbetween head-scratching bonehead maneuvers on the field and sidelines. Even with Ben's dubious season, they could have done better.

[Turk Nowitzki]

For a disgruntled WR who apparently didn't want to be here you cannot ask for anything better than the return we got.. DeAndre Hopkins was younger when he got traded and the return was a 2nd, a 4th, and David Johnson. This is much better.

[MikeIsGood]

This feels like a bad move for a win now team, in that rookie receivers don’t always make a big impact.

Then again, the Raiders shooting their load on a guy like Adams is classic Al Davis. No way he ends up worth half that money

Hopefully Gute can make one of the draft picks work for an eventual pro bowler.

He definitely won't be worth that much, but I don't think this is classic Al Davis. Al Davis brings in the guys that run the 40 the fasted. This time they brought in the best receiver in the league. They've got a decent enough QB. I get it.

[VooDoo7]

Even without Adams I expect another MVP-caliber season from Rodgers. People thinking he's gonna miss Adams will just be another chip added to his shoulder. Hopefully it translates to a SB appearance this time.

[WeekapaugGroove]

For a disgruntled WR who apparently didn't want to be here you cannot ask for anything better than the return we got.. DeAndre Hopkins was younger when he got traded and the return was a 2nd, a 4th, and David Johnson. This is much better.

They got a good return, there's no question about that.

I'm still sad to see Adams go because he was dope to watch. And I think there's an argument for next season Id rather have Adams.

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[Iheartfootball]

At first glance, it may seem weird to not go even more all-in when you've already gone this far, but matching the LV contract, let alone outbidding them, would be beyond the pale for me - and that's before you even consider the picks they got. In the Favre/Rodgers era, we've had to replace Sharpe, Brooks, Freeman, Driver, Walker, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Cobb, and probably a few other good WR's I'm forgetting, not to mention a few TE's and receiving RB's. Granted, sometimes it has taken a year to get another really good one, and they're in no position to waste a year if that's what it comes to. But frankly I'd rather take that risk, counterbalanced of course by the extra opportunities to draft a few solid WR's, than the risk of the contract Davante got.

I don't trust Douglas's success last year. If you think about it, his great year is partly just a matter of a few plays that could have easily gone the other way and been busted coverages when he hunted interceptions, and by the way he had a few such plays that you normally don't tolerate from a starting CB as well. Like 320-foot home runs in baseball, just a few of those plays can go the other way in the following season and suddenly you're looking at a completely different player evaluation, despite the player basically doing the exact same thing. Contrast that with Campbell's great year, where he was in the right place and made a good play that many ILB's don't make literally dozens of times a game, and I think there's much more basis to trust Campbell than Douglas.

I agree with everything you said here but just wanted to add on to your post. I've seen a few people compare losing Devante to past WRs and TEs on past Packers teams. I think those players, well good to maybe great are all a notch below Tae's talent. He's a legit elite WR1, the best I've witnessed since I became a Packers fan. He will be impossible to replace within the several-year window they have remaining with Rodgers. However, the talent they can add in other positions due to salary flexibility and draft picks from trading him can soften the blow or even make them more balanced/better.

[skones]

I don't understand where this MVS looked like he was taking a step before his injuries is even coming from. Hard no on bringing him back. He's ass. It's one thing to use him as a decoy when Adams is playing opposite, it's another to have such a limited player without Adams playing opposite.

The reason people were saying that is because he was making some absolutely routine catches that normal WR make that weren't just deep balls. And it was like a handful of catches most guys would make.

Byron Pringle just signed a 1 year 6M deal, it would seem that is the same tier as MVS.

I guess I think that's a VERY low bar for "turning the corner then." The production wasn't there.

[JimmyTheKid]

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Yeah... I'd have to imagine Rodgers will now get to handpick one, maybe two WR's.