ATL Offseason - Boyle to the Lions

[RRyder823]

Preston is a lock to go. He's certainly not been worth that contract.

When Watt's been on the field he's been awesome.

Well thats the rub isn't it?

I'd like to bring Watt in on a decent deal but the reality is we don't have the cap space to look at guys who are going to get more then bargain basement deals.


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[CWoodfan]

So JJ who openly lobbies for his brother to be named player of the year and constantly talks about how close they are is going to sign, at a discount, with the Packers -- a team that had a huge need at OLB in the 2017 draft but said no we don't think TJ is all that good and instead went with the never-to-be forgotten (not in a good way) Kevin KIng?

Yeah, right.

[RRyder823]

So JJ who openly lobbies for his brother to be named player of the year and constantly talks about how close they are is going to sign, at a discount, with the Packers -- a team that had a huge need at OLB in the 2017 draft but said no we don't think TJ is all that good and instead went with the never-to-be forgotten (not in a good way) Kevin KIng?

Yeah, right.

Considering they were coming off a year where Ladarious freaking Gunter was their #1 CB I think its safe to say CB was a huge need also going into that draft.



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[th87]

So JJ who openly lobbies for his brother to be named player of the year and constantly talks about how close they are is going to sign, at a discount, with the Packers -- a team that had a huge need at OLB in the 2017 draft but said no we don't think TJ is all that good and instead went with the never-to-be forgotten (not in a good way) Kevin KIng?

Yeah, right.

Considering they were coming off a year where Ladarious freaking Gunter was their #1 CB I think its safe to say CB was a huge need also going into that draft.



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Because of injuries. They weren't going into the season with him at starter, and still had Randall and Rollins, who they still believed in (but who turned out to be whiffs too).

There wasn't a strong argument then to pick King over Watt.

[trwi7]

So JJ who openly lobbies for his brother to be named player of the year and constantly talks about how close they are is going to sign, at a discount, with the Packers -- a team that had a huge need at OLB in the 2017 draft but said no we don't think TJ is all that good and instead went with the never-to-be forgotten (not in a good way) Kevin KIng?

Yeah, right.

Sign and trade King to Pittsburgh for T.J. Duh.

[MickeyDavis]

LOL JJ isn't coming to GB but it isn't because the Packers "snubbed" his brother. Come on now.

[StickeeFingaz]

I think JJ will be a Packer.

[RRyder823]

So JJ who openly lobbies for his brother to be named player of the year and constantly talks about how close they are is going to sign, at a discount, with the Packers -- a team that had a huge need at OLB in the 2017 draft but said no we don't think TJ is all that good and instead went with the never-to-be forgotten (not in a good way) Kevin KIng?

Yeah, right.

Considering they were coming off a year where Ladarious freaking Gunter was their #1 CB I think its safe to say CB was a huge need also going into that draft.



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Because of injuries. They weren't going into the season with him at starter, and still had Randall and Rollins, who they still believed in (but who turned out to be whiffs too).

There wasn't a strong argument then to pick King over Watt.

Actually there kinda was but thats inconsequential.

They didn't pick King over Watt. They traded back a couple slots when King, Watt and Cook were all still on the board when their pick came up. They did so because they knew they were guarenteed to get a chance at least 1 player they liked at a position of need and get additional draft capital on top of it (yes Beigal did not pan out but the strategy is sound and one I hope gets used 100% of the time when multiple guys are available that you would be happy with)

Watt was then taken and they choose King over Cook. Still ended up being the wrong choice with hindsight but a far cry then the revisionist history of "they picked King over Watt"

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[M-C-G]

Preston is a lock to go. He's certainly not been worth that contract.

When Watt's been on the field he's been awesome.

Well thats the rub isn't it?

I'd like to bring Watt in on a decent deal but the reality is we don't have the cap space to look at guys who are going to get more then bargain basement deals.


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Snaps the last three years 963, 469, 1031 (this year). Average 821.

For comparison ZaDarius, 690, 872, 858, average 806. Rodgers who didn't really miss many snaps at all this year had 1017.

You could probably make the case, lowering his snap count would probably be a good thing for his career and prolong his effectiveness.

[LikeABosh]

So JJ who openly lobbies for his brother to be named player of the year and constantly talks about how close they are is going to sign, at a discount, with the Packers -- a team that had a huge need at OLB in the 2017 draft but said no we don't think TJ is all that good and instead went with the never-to-be forgotten (not in a good way) Kevin KIng?

Yeah, right.

One has absolutely nothing to do with the other

[th87]

Considering they were coming off a year where Ladarious freaking Gunter was their #1 CB I think its safe to say CB was a huge need also going into that draft.



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Because of injuries. They weren't going into the season with him at starter, and still had Randall and Rollins, who they still believed in (but who turned out to be whiffs too).

There wasn't a strong argument then to pick King over Watt.

Actually there kinda was but thats inconsequential.

They didn't pick King over Watt. They traded back a couple slots when King, Watt and Cook were all still on the board when their pick came up. They did so because they knew they were guarenteed to get a chance at least 1 player they liked at a position of need and get additional draft capital on top of it (yes Beigal did not pan out but the strategy is sound and one I hope gets used 100% of the time when multiple guys are available that you would be happy with)

Watt was then taken and they choose King over Cook. Still ended up being the wrong choice with hindsight but a far cry then the revisionist history of "they picked King over Watt"

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A distinction without a difference - then talent evaluation failed if they considered the one liability player in the same tier as the all-pros. Ultimately the same failed result if they considered King better versus if they considered him equal.

A great pass rush can hide a mediocre secondary as evidenced most recently by the Bucs. There was never a strong argument to prioritize CB over (or equal to) pass rush, especially in view of the recent investments already made there (Randall, Rollins). If you think there was, I'd like to hear it. And no, Gunter as a starter wasn't in their 2017 plan regardless of who they picked.

[sdn40]

Gimme

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[skones]

I think I'll die if JJ Watt doesn't end up here.

[jakecronus8]

Gimme

Read on Twitter

The actual badger alumni we should be targeting on a sweetheart deal. One of the best third down backs in the biz. Love him as a Dillon compliment.

[jakecronus8]

I think I'll die if JJ Watt doesn't end up here.

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[midranger]

So JJ who openly lobbies for his brother to be named player of the year and constantly talks about how close they are is going to sign, at a discount, with the Packers -- a team that had a huge need at OLB in the 2017 draft but said no we don't think TJ is all that good and instead went with the never-to-be forgotten (not in a good way) Kevin KIng?

Yeah, right.

Not to sound callous, but Ted was actively declining with dementia at that point.

It’s really too bad, for so many reasons, but he was pretty awful late in his tenure.

[sdn40]

So JJ who openly lobbies for his brother to be named player of the year and constantly talks about how close they are is going to sign, at a discount, with the Packers -- a team that had a huge need at OLB in the 2017 draft but said no we don't think TJ is all that good and instead went with the never-to-be forgotten (not in a good way) Kevin KIng?

Yeah, right.

There were question marks about Watt. And CB was a huge need. Hindsight is gravy. If Watt went to Ohio St. no one would think twice about it.

[RRyder823]

Because of injuries. They weren't going into the season with him at starter, and still had Randall and Rollins, who they still believed in (but who turned out to be whiffs too).

There wasn't a strong argument then to pick King over Watt.

Actually there kinda was but thats inconsequential.

They didn't pick King over Watt. They traded back a couple slots when King, Watt and Cook were all still on the board when their pick came up. They did so because they knew they were guarenteed to get a chance at least 1 player they liked at a position of need and get additional draft capital on top of it (yes Beigal did not pan out but the strategy is sound and one I hope gets used 100% of the time when multiple guys are available that you would be happy with)

Watt was then taken and they choose King over Cook. Still ended up being the wrong choice with hindsight but a far cry then the revisionist history of "they picked King over Watt"

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A distinction without a difference - then talent evaluation failed if they considered the one liability player in the same tier as the all-pros. Ultimately the same failed result if they considered King better versus if they considered him equal.

A great pass rush can hide a mediocre secondary as evidenced most recently by the Bucs. There was never a strong argument to prioritize CB over (or equal to) pass rush, especially in view of the recent investments already made there (Randall, Rollins). If you think there was, I'd like to hear it. And no, Gunter as a starter wasn't in their 2017 plan regardless of who they picked.

How bout they also had Perry coming off an 11 sack season and a still productive, yet aging, Peppers (7.5 sacks in 2016 although let go in 2017) and a churning along Clay(5 in 2016 and 7.5 in 2017)?

Now I'm not going argue it wasn't a position to look at but it isnt like they went into that draft with OLB looking like a massive need that the hindsight your useing is saying it was.

We could've used a pass rusher. Especially to replace Peppers when they let him go. They are always valuable. But Rollins had returned late that year and still looked bad and the secondary was absolutely viewed as the bane of the Packers defense. It was pretty universally agreed we needed another starting CB even with a healthy Randall (as we all also thought he wouldn't fall off a cliff)

I get hindsight is hard not to use but CB going into that draft was absolutely viewed as a BIG need at worst right on par with, or even ahead of OLB, going into that draft.

And yes obviously the talent evaluation failed in the end by rating them within the same tier. The draft isn't an exact science and TT was on his last legs as a GM

Also once again. We didn't draft King over Watt

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[Reddeye]

King was pretty good his rookie year. The injuries have likely taken a toll. I don't remember if he had an injury history in college.

[rilamann]

It will probably come out in about 3 years that JJ Watt desperately wanted to play for the Packers and would have gladly taken a hometown discount, but the Packers never made any attempt to contact him lol.