2021 Packers News, Trades, Transactions - Sternberger Released

[Profound23]

Wow, Z Smith update too.
Gute is a snake. He’s got the backing of the clueless fans that think next year we’re in big cap trouble.
Except Gute created it.

Yes. Everyone knows this. Or we could have just not re-signed or extended our key guys the last three years. Would that have been better?

The big problem with this is you want players to restructure deals to help you out and now they will be afraid to later.

Not to mention, signing free agents in the future.

I get that his agent messed up too but you have to be careful. Especially when Z has been playing up to or above his contract.

[ReasonablySober]

Wow, Z Smith update too.
Gute is a snake. He’s got the backing of the clueless fans that think next year we’re in big cap trouble.
Except Gute created it.

Yes. Everyone knows this. Or we could have just not re-signed or extended our key guys the last three years. Would that have been better?

The big problem with this is you want players to restructure deals to help you out and now they will be afraid to later.

Not to mention, signing free agents in the future.

I get that his agent messed up too but you have to be careful. Especially when Z has been playing up to or above his contract.

Every team does it, using the CBA to make deals as team friendly as possible. The Packers just signed Jones this offseason and Bak last fall. If Jaire doesn't re-sign, I'll be alarmed.

[th87]

It would be peak idiocy to blow legit title contention so Mark **** Murphy can remain employed.

[sdn40]

Fans still want to blame Murphy. For the skating rink or the sledding hill ?? Because he has nothing to do with personnel, contract negotiations, or coaching. If it makes you sleep better at night filtering this all down to one fall guy, all the more power to you, but it's pretty clueless. He was a huge part of hiring MLF as well

[ReasonablySober]

Fans can blame whomever they want, but Rodgers hasn't come out and said who he has a problem with. All we have is an organization that's put elite talent around him for a decade.

[sdn40]

Fans can blame whomever they want, but Rodgers hasn't come out and said who he has a problem with. All we have is an organization that's put elite talent around him for a decade.

Blame Santa Claus for all I care. It just shows the intellect of the guy saying it.
Talent around Rodgers on offense ? Sure. But shi*tty defenses won't win you rings

[Reddeye]

Wow, Z Smith update too.
Gute is a snake. He’s got the backing of the clueless fans that think next year we’re in big cap trouble.
Except Gute created it.

So are you saying they are not in cap trouble next year?

Was Gute supposed to predict the pandemic so he knew there would be a drop in the salary cap?

[ReasonablySober]

Fans can blame whomever they want, but Rodgers hasn't come out and said who he has a problem with. All we have is an organization that's put elite talent around him for a decade.

Blame Santa Claus for all I care. It just shows the intellect of the guy saying it.
Talent around Rodgers on offense ? Sure. But shi*tty defenses won't win you rings

Probably should spend more of that offensive cash on defense then, yea?

[Reddeye]

Fans can blame whomever they want, but Rodgers hasn't come out and said who he has a problem with. All we have is an organization that's put elite talent around him for a decade.

Blame Santa Claus for all I care. It just shows the intellect of the guy saying it.
Talent around Rodgers on offense ? Sure. But shi*tty defenses won't win you rings

Not saying you are wrong, but I would like Rodgers to come out and say that is the reason he is upset if it is.

[sdn40]

Fans can blame whomever they want, but Rodgers hasn't come out and said who he has a problem with. All we have is an organization that's put elite talent around him for a decade.

Blame Santa Claus for all I care. It just shows the intellect of the guy saying it.
Talent around Rodgers on offense ? Sure. But shi*tty defenses won't win you rings

Probably should spend more of that offensive cash on defense then, yea?

89% of Super Bowl participants have a Top 10 defense. We've all seen the 30's and 40's the defense has given up in the playoffs. So yeah. IMO you have to be better. A good defense can generally contain a good offense in the playoffs in January, and a good defense travels. You'll always run up against at least one good defense in the playoffs and the fans blame Rodgers while the defense gives up 35. It's not the recipe for rings. "Rodgers go fetch me a ring" doesn't work. See the last 10 years for proof. 2010 - Top 10 defense

[sdn40]

Fans can blame whomever they want, but Rodgers hasn't come out and said who he has a problem with. All we have is an organization that's put elite talent around him for a decade.

Blame Santa Claus for all I care. It just shows the intellect of the guy saying it.
Talent around Rodgers on offense ? Sure. But shi*tty defenses won't win you rings

Not saying you are wrong, but I would like Rodgers to come out and say that is the reason he is upset if it is.

My guess is it's not just one thing and not just things from the current regime. They say coaches have a 10 year shelf life. Maybe the same is true with players. Rodgers is frustrated because the end is near and he thinks he should have more rings, so every little thing from 15 years floats back to the surface. I don't blame him. It's human nature. His playoff presser said it all. Dude was crushed.

We are also entering a new time where players are allowed input and Rodgers was told to shut up. Hence the "QB's play and coaches coach" quotes Rodgers throws out as a knock to the FO. And Rodgers is indeed a "complicated fellow." So blaming the guy who spends his time deciding how many bars will fit in the Titletown District is hilarious to me
Adapt or die.

[th87]

Fans can blame whomever they want, but Rodgers hasn't come out and said who he has a problem with. All we have is an organization that's put elite talent around him for a decade.

He's insinuated he has a problem with how he's "treated". He says (and acted as though) it's not about picking Love, or Gute, or money, or commitment.

Murphy is on record making unflattering comments about Rodgers, talking about urging him not to be "the problem" when making the coaching hire (why is that necessary to say), and calling him complicated in the middle of a delicate situation (also unnecessary). If that is what reaches the public, I can imagine it's more insulting behind the scenes. He's already sensitive, and as the FotF and HOFer, he feels he doesn't have to live with being talked down to. And compound that with years of not doing enough to win.

Seems it's more about just disliking a person being an as-hole (in his mind) than about philosophy.

[Reddeye]

Blame Santa Claus for all I care. It just shows the intellect of the guy saying it.
Talent around Rodgers on offense ? Sure. But shi*tty defenses won't win you rings

Not saying you are wrong, but I would like Rodgers to come out and say that is the reason he is upset if it is.

My guess is it's not just one thing and not just things from the current regime. They say coaches have a 10 year shelf life. Rodgers is frustrated because the end is near and he thinks he should have more rings, so every little thing from 15 years floats back to the surface. I don't blame him. It's human nature. His playoff presser said it all. Dude was crushed. We are also entering a new time where players are allowed input and Rodgers was told to shut up. Hence the "QB's play and coaches coach" quotes Rodgers throws out as a knock to the FO. And Rodgers is indeed a "complicated fellow." So blaming the guy who spends his time deciding how many bars will fit in the Titletown District is hilarious to me
Adapt or die.

Isn't Rdogers part of the blame in some of those playoff losses?

I just want Rodgers to come out and say everything that has been bothering him over the years. He is supposed to have a great memory so he can just rattle them off. Hopefully if he does show up for camp he is asked some hard questions that he may not want to answer.

[sdn40]

Not saying you are wrong, but I would like Rodgers to come out and say that is the reason he is upset if it is.

My guess is it's not just one thing and not just things from the current regime. They say coaches have a 10 year shelf life. Rodgers is frustrated because the end is near and he thinks he should have more rings, so every little thing from 15 years floats back to the surface. I don't blame him. It's human nature. His playoff presser said it all. Dude was crushed. We are also entering a new time where players are allowed input and Rodgers was told to shut up. Hence the "QB's play and coaches coach" quotes Rodgers throws out as a knock to the FO. And Rodgers is indeed a "complicated fellow." So blaming the guy who spends his time deciding how many bars will fit in the Titletown District is hilarious to me
Adapt or die.

Isn't Rdogers part of the blame in some of those playoff losses?

I just want Rodgers to come out and say everything that has been bothering him over the years. He is supposed to have a great memory so he can just rattle them off. Hopefully if he does show up for camp he is asked some hard questions that he may not want to answer.

Don't hold your breath. He gains nothing by doing that.

[Reddeye]

My guess is it's not just one thing and not just things from the current regime. They say coaches have a 10 year shelf life. Rodgers is frustrated because the end is near and he thinks he should have more rings, so every little thing from 15 years floats back to the surface. I don't blame him. It's human nature. His playoff presser said it all. Dude was crushed. We are also entering a new time where players are allowed input and Rodgers was told to shut up. Hence the "QB's play and coaches coach" quotes Rodgers throws out as a knock to the FO. And Rodgers is indeed a "complicated fellow." So blaming the guy who spends his time deciding how many bars will fit in the Titletown District is hilarious to me
Adapt or die.

Isn't Rdogers part of the blame in some of those playoff losses?

I just want Rodgers to come out and say everything that has been bothering him over the years. He is supposed to have a great memory so he can just rattle them off. Hopefully if he does show up for camp he is asked some hard questions that he may not want to answer.

Don't hold your breath. He gains nothing by doing that.

Feels like he is losing fan support in this standoff. Couldn't he gain some fan support back if there are what fans think is legit gripes?

[Profound23]

So Aaron wants 45 mil guaranteed per year, Adams wants 28 mil per year, Bakhtiari starts making around 26 mil, after Kenny Clark we would have to cut everyone making more than the league minimum.

Everyone would blame our front office for a horrible cap situation and Rodgers would still be whining he doesn't have enough help.

[ReasonablySober]

So Aaron wants 45 mil guaranteed per year, Adams wants 28 mil per year, Bakhtiari starts making around 26 mil, after Kenny Clark we would have to cut everyone making more than the league minimum.

Everyone would blame our front office for a horrible cap situation and Rodgers would still be whining he doesn't have enough help.

Yea, from Florio.

So what does (or at least did) Rodgers specifically want? To get a true commitment that prevents the team from releasing him or trading him after 2021 or 2022, he needs a lot. So much that the team wouldn’t be able to move on without blowing up its salary cap.

Per a league source, it’s believed by at least one team that has (or had) interest in Rodgers that he wants $90 million guaranteed over two years. That would get him to the Patricks Mahomes $45 million high-water mark. With the $45 million average applying to only the first two years and with all of it guaranteed, the structure necessary to pay that kind of money would as a practical matter tie Green Bay’s hands through 2022 and potentially into 2023.

Although some have said it’s not about the money, the money becomes a way to fix a problem that former teammates continue to call fixable. By giving Rodgers the kind of contract that gives the Packers no choice but to (1) keep Rodgers, and (2) keep Jordan Love on the bench, the team necessarily resets the clock to pre-2020 draft, before the moment that the team clumsily traded up to get Love without telling first Rodgers. (Telling him first probably wouldn’t have made it much better.)

That gesture told Rodgers in one fell swoop that he’s no longer untouchable. This gesture — a $90 million guarantee over two years — would reinstate his untouchable status, for several seasons.

The fact that the team hasn’t given him that kind of offer yet strongly suggests that the team won’t be doing so. Which further sets the stage for whatever is going to happen this week, when the Packers report for training camp.

I take every report with a grain of salt. But IF Rodgers wants that much money next season he's essentially gutting the roster.

[Reddeye]

If that report is true, I guess winning isn't the top priority for Rodgers.

[Mags FTW]

Should've traded him before the draft. Extending him is the worst thing you can do. You can't win a SB with 1 guy eating up that much of the cap.

[ReasonablySober]

Should've traded him before the draft. Extending him is the worst thing you can do. You can't win a SB with 1 guy eating up that much of the cap.

That's the one thing you can blast Gute for. And it's a big one.