ImageImage

2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Week 1 in Brasil v. Iggles

Moderators: paulpressey25, MickeyDavis, humanrefutation

jimmybones
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,757
And1: 3,297
Joined: May 29, 2009
Location: MKE
     

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1581 » by jimmybones » Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:10 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:50% paycut cause he only plays 50% of the season


The previous 4 seasons he missed 4 total games and even this year he didn't miss half the games. This was a really dumb decision. Jones is miles better than Jacobs.


Yeah...This is not true at all.

Jones is a very good player, but dude was consistently taking himself out of games even when "healthy"

Jones will be missed, but acting like Jacobs is not a better back is just wrong.

Jones is like having the best sprinter in the world run a marathon.


This, Jacobs is flat out better than that credit he's being given in this thread
jakecronus8
RealGM
Posts: 16,817
And1: 8,211
Joined: Feb 06, 2006
     

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1582 » by jakecronus8 » Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:14 pm

BUCKnation wrote:so he took roughly 1 mil more to end up on a bad team and disrespect the fans that gave him a ton of love on the way out by going to a direct rival.


Not a chance.

Sticking it to Green Bay has nothing to do with sticking it to the fans.

We can thank him for being an amazing player and person. He owes us nothing and if people take it as a personal slight to themselves that he signed in Minnesota are just not getting it.
Do it for Chuck
User avatar
humanrefutation
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 33,222
And1: 16,918
Joined: Jun 05, 2006
       

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1583 » by humanrefutation » Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:47 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:50% paycut cause he only plays 50% of the season


The previous 4 seasons he missed 4 total games and even this year he didn't miss half the games. This was a really dumb decision. Jones is miles better than Jacobs.


Jones will be missed, but acting like Jacobs is not a better back is just wrong.


There is nothing supporting this argument, though. All of the data shows us that Jones has been better than Jacobs throughout their careers. Jacobs has been a pretty mediocre RB with the exception of one season.

Anyone opining that Jacobs will be better is just speculating.
User avatar
humanrefutation
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 33,222
And1: 16,918
Joined: Jun 05, 2006
       

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1584 » by humanrefutation » Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:48 pm

Gute got Jones's valuation spot on, though. It's too bad he wouldn't take that here.
User avatar
LUKE23
RealGM
Posts: 72,784
And1: 6,993
Joined: May 26, 2005
Location: Stunville
       

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1585 » by LUKE23 » Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:58 pm

I don't think the Packers had any intention of Jones leaving, but getting Jacobs at the number they did made them look at their overall running back budget and it forced them to play hardball with Jones.

In terms of comparing the players, with both guys playing behind the same offensive line and with the same supporting cast, I think it is pretty close. Jacobs can be more of a workhorse than Jones, Jones is more explosive in terms of big plays. Both guys are good receiving backs. I think it's just really the Packers betting on the younger guy.
User avatar
Kerb Hohl
RealGM
Posts: 35,688
And1: 4,484
Joined: Jun 17, 2005
Location: Hmmmm...how many 1sts would Jason Richardson cost...?

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1586 » by Kerb Hohl » Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:59 pm

humanrefutation wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
The previous 4 seasons he missed 4 total games and even this year he didn't miss half the games. This was a really dumb decision. Jones is miles better than Jacobs.


Jones will be missed, but acting like Jacobs is not a better back is just wrong.


There is nothing supporting this argument, though. All of the data shows us that Jones has been better than Jacobs throughout their careers. Jacobs has been a pretty mediocre RB with the exception of one season.

Anyone opining that Jacobs will be better is just speculating.


Jacobs also had a pretty good rookie year and has always been just as good or better of a pass catcher as Jones, though you probably get less creative with putting him in the slot, etc.

I like the gamble a bit better, though it has a longer-term cost. He's a bit more durable and definitely younger. He can take the larger load of an offense vs Jones being more explosive but having to be saved for various spots of a season.
User avatar
mlloyd10
General Manager
Posts: 8,097
And1: 970
Joined: Jan 18, 2012
     

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1587 » by mlloyd10 » Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:00 pm

LUKE23 wrote:I don't think the Packers had any intention of Jones leaving, but getting Jacobs at the number they did made them look at their overall running back budget and it forced them to play hardball with Jones.

In terms of comparing the players, with both guys playing behind the same offensive line and with the same supporting cast, I think it is pretty close. Jacobs can be more of a workhorse than Jones, Jones is more explosive in terms of big plays. Both guys are good receiving backs. I think it's just really the Packers betting on the younger guy.


This might be the 1st time in 10 years that i 100% agree with you
MVP2110
General Manager
Posts: 8,830
And1: 4,655
Joined: Jun 28, 2012
Location: Appleton WI
       

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1588 » by MVP2110 » Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:02 pm

Does anyone know how Jacobs is as a pass blocker?
Coach Drew: "Milwaukee has always been a team that I have been intrigued by. When we played them, they were a tough team for us to play. Although we did beat them all four times"
User avatar
LUKE23
RealGM
Posts: 72,784
And1: 6,993
Joined: May 26, 2005
Location: Stunville
       

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1589 » by LUKE23 » Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:03 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:
This might be the 1st time in 10 years that i 100% agree with you


So you've been wrong a lot.
User avatar
mlloyd10
General Manager
Posts: 8,097
And1: 970
Joined: Jan 18, 2012
     

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1590 » by mlloyd10 » Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:05 pm

MVP2110 wrote:Does anyone know how Jacobs is as a pass blocker?


That i will say is one big advantage he has over Jones - Jones was ok and quick to realize where he needed to be, but its just a size thing,
User avatar
mlloyd10
General Manager
Posts: 8,097
And1: 970
Joined: Jan 18, 2012
     

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1591 » by mlloyd10 » Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:06 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:
This might be the 1st time in 10 years that i 100% agree with you


So you've been wrong a lot.


Ha - Still got a greater And1 to post ratio
ReddoverKobe
Head Coach
Posts: 6,471
And1: 7,477
Joined: Feb 12, 2019
   

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1592 » by ReddoverKobe » Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:08 pm

BUCKnation wrote:Houston would have seemed like a no brainer. They have a ton of space and their rb production was atrocious even with an amazing Stroud year.


They traded for Mixon
User avatar
mlloyd10
General Manager
Posts: 8,097
And1: 970
Joined: Jan 18, 2012
     

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1593 » by mlloyd10 » Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:14 pm

Just heard a crazy stat - in 2022, Jacobs ran for over 1000 yards on 1st down alone....Hello play action
jimmybones
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,757
And1: 3,297
Joined: May 29, 2009
Location: MKE
     

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1594 » by jimmybones » Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:30 pm

It's not hard to see the talent Jacobs has as a runner and see the opportunity he'll have with a better offensive line and offense full of weapons compared to the bum offenses he's played on.
coolhandluke121
RealGM
Posts: 14,308
And1: 7,453
Joined: Sep 23, 2007

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1595 » by coolhandluke121 » Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:30 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:
This might be the 1st time in 10 years that i 100% agree with you


So you've been wrong a lot.


Ha - Still got a greater And1 to post ratio


You analytics nerds are all the same - you don't understand the game because you never actually played it, and you never got the girl in high school.

(Stealthily checks And-1:post ratio. Nice.)
Wut we've got here is... faaailure... to communakate.
neiLz
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,657
And1: 1,776
Joined: Oct 04, 2011
Location: Riverwest
     

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1596 » by neiLz » Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:37 pm

After seeing the Jacobs deal, I have come back down from the ledge, they're technically paying more this year for jacobs than they would have for jones, but the jacobs contract has only 12 mil guaranteed, so if he sucks then he is gone after this year. My issue is I am just not that high on RB's as free agents and if they wanted Jones to take a cut and he said no, I'd rather have them draft a couple RBs instead. However, his cap hit is pretty low so its a solid risk reward.

Packers can still sign someone so hopefully they fill out their Defensive backfield with a couple safeties then fill in everywhere else with the draft. Also need to keep an eye on a J Love contract.
User avatar
mlloyd10
General Manager
Posts: 8,097
And1: 970
Joined: Jan 18, 2012
     

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1597 » by mlloyd10 » Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:47 pm

neiLz wrote:After seeing the Jacobs deal, I have come back down from the ledge, they're technically paying more this year for jacobs than they would have for jones, but the jacobs contract has only 12 mil guaranteed, so if he sucks then he is gone after this year. My issue is I am just not that high on RB's as free agents and if they wanted Jones to take a cut and he said no, I'd rather have them draft a couple RBs instead. However, his cap hit is pretty low so its a solid risk reward.

Packers can still sign someone so hopefully they fill out their Defensive backfield with a couple safeties then fill in everywhere else with the draft. Also need to keep an eye on a J Love contract.


The cap hit is less this year for Jacobs that it would have been for Jones which helped us sign Mckinney
RRyder823
General Manager
Posts: 9,048
And1: 5,085
Joined: May 06, 2014
   

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1598 » by RRyder823 » Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:21 pm

So Spotrac has a listed at 31 million in cap space with Mckinneys contract listed (it does have Jacobs accounted for.

Has anyone listed McKinneys 1st year cap hit?

Wanna get an idea for how aggressive they could possibly be filling the SS spot although I'd imagine the play is gonna be to wait ot out at this point and either get a guy for cheap and/or the draft

Sent from my SM-S918U using RealGM mobile app
LatentFrog
Senior
Posts: 664
And1: 447
Joined: Mar 17, 2019
       

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1599 » by LatentFrog » Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:25 pm

I feel like we have to grab at least one and maybe two FA LBs. I think our edge rushers will all be DEs in a 4-3 front. A box safety would be nice as well, I agree.
MVP2110
General Manager
Posts: 8,830
And1: 4,655
Joined: Jun 28, 2012
Location: Appleton WI
       

Re: 2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Jones/Bakhtiari/Campbell Gone; Jacobs/McKinney Signed 

Post#1600 » by MVP2110 » Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:28 pm

LatentFrog wrote:I feel like we have to grab at least one and maybe two FA LBs. I think our edge rushers will all be DEs in a 4-3 front. A box safety would be nice as well, I agree.

Yea our remaining needs that we absolutely have to fill before the season starts is 2 LB, 1 CB, & a box safety
Coach Drew: "Milwaukee has always been a team that I have been intrigued by. When we played them, they were a tough team for us to play. Although we did beat them all four times"

Return to Green Bay Packers