2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Cut Day Saturday

[ReasonablySober]

Graham was a bust last season, but I wouldn't be surprised if Lafleur looks at him and thinks he can unlock some production.

[Matches Malone]

I think you almost have to keep Graham just because of the money he's owed and the possibility that he gets it together in a new system. Not holding my breath though and I think we should draft or sign another guy. There's actually a ton of guys out there I think could be as productive or more than Graham and are still relatively young. Maxx Williams, Ricky Seals-Jones, C.J. Uzomah are guys I like in free agency. The draft is pretty deep at Tight End also. Irv Smith, Fant, Hockenson, Wilson, Sternberger, Oliver, Smith, Mack, Conrad and Sweeney. Albert Okwuegbunam would have been nice too if he didn't go back to school.

[Wisky4life]

I think if you run, Graham, Tonyan and bring back Mercedes-Lewis on the cheap: we will be fine at TE. Nothing pretty but I would put my chips in O-line, Linebacker and Safety positions.

[Treebeard]

I think if you run, Graham, Tonyan and bring back Mercedes-Lewis on the cheap: we will be fine at TE. Nothing pretty but I would put my chips in O-line, Linebacker and Safety positions.

I think even with better schemes, both Graham and any of the older options (Lewis, Kendricks, Cook etc) are guys on the wrong side of the performance bell curve to be resurrected. They aren't likely to regain speed and agility in this off-season. While Tonyan made a big splash with his first performance, the fact that he couldn't crack the line up till injuries and desperation took their toll, makes him suspect. I think they need to upgrade the tight end roster soon.

However, I'll agree they must upgrade the pass rush first, and need more depth on the OLine and Safety. The lineup is generally good, but far from great, so there are plenty of holes to fill.

[Treebeard]

A Dougherty article from today's MJS:

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2019/01/26/dougherty-packers-must-fortify-two-positions-help-aaron-rodgers/2681253002/

Dougherty: Packers must fortify two positions to give Aaron Rodgers the help he needs.

What jumps out most is that even as passing keeps increasing leaguewide, the Saints and Patriots in recent years have emphasized the running back position and offensive line play.

Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst will have a lot of work to do in the offseason if he wants to help Rodgers in the same way. To run the ball like new coach Matt LaFleur has said he wants to, Gutekunst will have to add a quality running back (Aaron Jones’ health is too shaky) and rebuild his offensive line.

These things aren’t free. With 10 draft picks, including two in the first round, and $40 million or more in salary-cap room, Gutekunst has some resources to spend at those spots, but he also has needs almost across the board. He’s going to have to make some smart choices.

[Dandridgefav]

ditch graham why waste time & cash that can go to more long range contributor whether by draft or FA

if we can sign FA TE = great. otherwise use our 2nd

#1 need = at least 2 pass rush from de and/or olb - sign a top FA and spend our top1st

OL doesn't only need depth they need 2 - 3 starters. maybe Taylor bounces back LG. not much among FA.that doesnt have injury issues. . DRAFT a RT from draft using our 1st from Orleans and draft RG - maybe 3rd.

Reportedly not good year for S or CB. maybe use our 2 4ths on one of each.
1a olb
1b=ot
2=te
3=G
4=S
4=CB
5=ilb
6=olb
7=ol
7=te
.
SIGN FA
2 SMITHS OLB
mabe Collins FS if his current scheme is much llike will be in Pettins
maybe TE
Any OL

[bizarro]

I guess I don’t agree on the Graham front. He looks absolutely done to me. No separation, still a terrible blocker, lost athleticism. He’s just a guy and at that price it was a failed signing - regardless of MM, A-Rod, and scheme. We should never have let Cook go. It was a big mistake.

Obviously my opinion.

[Wisky4life]

I guess I don’t agree on the Graham front. He looks absolutely done to me. No separation, still a terrible blocker, lost athleticism. He’s just a guy and at that price it was a failed signing - regardless of MM, A-Rod, and scheme. We should never have let Cook go. It was a big mistake.

Obviously my opinion.

Yeah I think most here are pretty average with him. I just still hold on hope of what he did in the past. If he had a cheaper contract, I believe we wouldn't have the same discussion with him.

[RRyder823]

I guess I don’t agree on the Graham front. He looks absolutely done to me. No separation, still a terrible blocker, lost athleticism. He’s just a guy and at that price it was a failed signing - regardless of MM, A-Rod, and scheme. We should never have let Cook go. It was a big mistake.

Obviously my opinion.

There probably hasnt been a bigger critic of the Graham signing then myself on this board but, much like Perry, I dont really see the cost versus replacement value in cutting him this year

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[bizarro]

I guess I don’t agree on the Graham front. He looks absolutely done to me. No separation, still a terrible blocker, lost athleticism. He’s just a guy and at that price it was a failed signing - regardless of MM, A-Rod, and scheme. We should never have let Cook go. It was a big mistake.

Obviously my opinion.

There probably hasnt been a bigger critic of the Graham signing then myself on this board but, much like Perry, I dont really see the cost versus replacement value in cutting him this year

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That’s all fine and I understand but my worry is when you hold on to those mistakes they create roadblocks for young opportunities. We will see.

[BJ Sandered]

I'd probably hold onto Graham for one more season and try your damnedest to get some production out of him in a new system. It definitely wouldn't be stupid to get rid of him either, but the price tag by cutting him makes it an issue.

I'm far beyond done with Nick Perry though. I knew that deal was going to be a mistake the day it was announced. Way to go Teddy and Russ Ball...

[Wisky4life]

I would cut Perry and not look back. Cap hit or not, he was such a waste. Graham is a kick either way.

[RRyder823]

I simply find being willing to keep Graham and wanting Perry cut hypocritical.

Either you should want to cut both because niether is worth their current contract or you should be willing to bring both back based on the fact you dont save much in cap space and cost versus replacement isnt worth it.

Both of the above are understandable stances but wanting to cut one but not the other speaks more to bias then anything else

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[humanrefutation]

As has been explained previously, the Packers have an out with Perry where they'll save about 11M on their cap this offseason if they release him before March 15 and then designate him a June 2 cut. That's not insignificant - that's pretty much the cost of their entire draft class and they can pay that out after June 2nd (when the relief hits the books).

Cutting Graham doesn't offer the same cap savings, but depending on how they released him, they could save another $5M on 2019 if they release him immediately and $9M post June 1.

Saying it's hypocritical or biased to want to cut one over the other is pretty silly. Everyone has their own valuation of players. I don't think either player had earned their contracts - and I'd be fine if they cut them both - but I'm willing to see whether LaFleur believes he can get more out of Graham if he and Gute choose to bring him back. The savings on Perry make cutting him a no-brainer, IMO. He's not worth $11M with that production.

[neiLz]

I think they should cut ties now with both Graham. They are on the hook for both their bonuses. Delaying the cut one year still costs them the bonus plus their base this year then the rest of their guaranteed bonus next year when cut. Why not cut ties this year and not have to worry bout paying them next year? I'd rather get rid of them now and not have to worry about that salary two years from now when we will cut them anyway.

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[bizarro]

Man, I can't get over how good A-Rod looks with a Stache. Why doesn't he just keep that look and wear more tanktops? Billy-Bob style.

[Treebeard]

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Sub-contract Suki to work on Mr. Rogers knee.....

[humanrefutation]

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Hook him up with not-a-doctor Alex Guerrero.