2020 Packers News, Trades, Transactions - RIP Ted Thompson

jimmybones · Post #161 » by **jimmybones** » Wed Nov 4, 2020 5:12 pm

WRau1 wrote:Packers as an organization are at Detroit Lion level of wasting Hall of Fame careers.

yeah man, those Packers and Lions Super Bowl and playoffs track records are identical the last decade. GTFO.

jimmybones · Post #162 » by **jimmybones** » Wed Nov 4, 2020 5:13 pm

RiotPunch wrote:TrUsT tHe PrOcEsS

Dont blow your wad on guys not even remotely worth a second round pick. Fixed that for you.

WRau1 · Post #163 » by **WRau1** » Wed Nov 4, 2020 7:25 pm

jimmybones wrote:
WRau1 wrote:Packers as an organization are at Detroit Lion level of wasting Hall of Fame careers.

yeah man, those Packers and Lions Super Bowl and playoffs track records are identical the last decade. GTFO.

Where did I say anything about Superbowls? Have the Packers not completely bungled the better part of Favre's career? Have they not wasted almost all of Rodgers? You can't have arguably the most talented QB of all time and not give him a single 1st rd target. The level in which they wastes Aaron's prime is right up there with how thr Lion's mismanaged Barry Sanders and Megatron.

raysbookclub · Post #164 » by **raysbookclub** » Wed Nov 4, 2020 7:32 pm

I could see GB bringing Pettis in. Not sure what happened to him, he was a high/mid 2nd-rounder that the Niners traded up for. Some injuries, but seems like he was in the doghouse since last year. Maybe he needs a scenery change, a new team? Wouldn't have high hopes, like 2nd-round WR high hopes, but he could be a weapon on the jet sweep like Ervin, return kicks, and maybe show something as a receiver--he was supposed to be a good route runner with good hands coming out of college.

raysbookclub · Post #165 » by **raysbookclub** » Wed Nov 4, 2020 7:38 pm

WRau1 wrote:You can't have arguably the most talented QB of all time and not give him a single 1st rd target.

He's been throwing to Jennings (2nd round), Nelson (high 2nd), Jones (3rd), Cobb (2nd), Finley (3rd round TE), Adams (2nd). Sure, they haven't drafted a WR high lately, but that's plenty of draft investment. You can't ask the GM for more than 2011's perimeter of Jennings-Nelson-Cobb-Jones-Finley.

PintSizedBox10 · Post #166 » by **PintSizedBox10** » Wed Nov 4, 2020 7:44 pm

books wrote:
WRau1 wrote:You can't have arguably the most talented QB of all time and not give him a single 1st rd target.

He's been throwing to Jennings (2nd round), Nelson (high 2nd), Jones (3rd), Cobb (2nd), Finley (3rd round TE), Adams (2nd). Sure, they haven't drafted a WR high lately, but that's plenty of draft investment. You can't ask the GM for more than 2011's perimeter of Jennings-Nelson-Cobb-Jones-Finley.

That was nearly a decade ago.

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Ron Swanson · Post #167 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Nov 4, 2020 7:45 pm

Yeah, really weird how the media and fans keep harping on this "they've never given him a 1st round WR" narrative despite the fact that we've drafted 4 different Pro-Bowl receivers in the 2nd round, 3 of whom were no worse than Top-10 wideouts in their prime (Jordy, Jennings, Adams).

RRyder823 · Post #168 » by **RRyder823** » Wed Nov 4, 2020 7:54 pm

WRau1 wrote:
jimmybones wrote:
WRau1 wrote:Packers as an organization are at Detroit Lion level of wasting Hall of Fame careers.

yeah man, those Packers and Lions Super Bowl and playoffs track records are identical the last decade. GTFO.

Where did I say anything about Superbowls? Have the Packers not completely bungled the better part of Favre's career? Have they not wasted almost all of Rodgers? You can't have arguably the most talented QB of all time and not give him a single 1st rd target. The level in which they wastes Aaron's prime is right up there with how thr Lion's mismanaged Barry Sanders and Megatron.

Good lord up. I'll give you the last few years but the vast majority of Rodgers career hes been throwing to multiple Pro Bowl WRs behind what has consistently been one of the top offensive lines in football

Where the hell did this "they haven't given Rodgers weapons his whole career" shtick come from?

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WRau1 · Post #169 » by **WRau1** » Wed Nov 4, 2020 7:59 pm

Curious, outside of Adams, what did these other "weapons" do when a hall of fame QB wasn't throwing them the ball?

WeekapaugGroove · Post #170 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Nov 4, 2020 8:04 pm

There are 26 QBs from the modern era in the hall of fame. The majority of them have 1 or fewer super bowl wins.

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RRyder823 · Post #171 » by **RRyder823** » Wed Nov 4, 2020 8:08 pm

WRau1 wrote:Curious, outside of Adams, what did these other "weapons" do when a hall of fame QB wasn't throwing them the ball?

Yeah we really should of let them leave while in their primes so we can have a controlled test

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WRau1 · Post #172 » by **WRau1** » Wed Nov 4, 2020 8:10 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
WRau1 wrote:Curious, outside of Adams, what did these other "weapons" do when a hall of fame QB wasn't throwing them the ball?
Yeah we really should of let them leave while in their primes so we can have a controlled test

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Or Rodgers was the reason they were any good and that's the difference in top end WR talent.

Ron Swanson · Post #173 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Nov 4, 2020 8:17 pm

Davante Adams isn't **** Danny Amendola dude. He'd be a Top-5 WR in the league no matter who's throwing him the ball.

WRau1 · Post #174 » by **WRau1** » Wed Nov 4, 2020 8:24 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Davante Adams isn't **** Danny Amendola dude. He'd be a Top-5 WR in the league no matter who's throwing him the ball.

Pretty sure I acknowledged Adams is great, so...

Ron Swanson · Post #175 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Nov 4, 2020 8:29 pm

Jordy left when he was 33 and cooked, and Jennings left at 30, then had a couple of semi-productive years in Minnesota before retiring early due to injuries. Cobb is still doing it as a slot guy for two separate teams now. That Rodgers maximized those guys' skills isn't the same thing as him being the reason they were/are all incredibly talented skill position players.

RiotPunch · Post #176 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed Nov 4, 2020 8:50 pm

jimmybones wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:TrUsT tHe PrOcEsS

Dont blow your wad on guys not even remotely worth a second round pick. Fixed that for you.

Not talking about Fuller, hang onto your wad.

CWoodfan · Post #177 » by **CWoodfan** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 3:46 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:There are 26 QBs from the modern era in the hall of fame. The majority of them have 1 or fewer super bowl wins.

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And the rest of the story when it comes to top QBs getting to Super Bowls over the past 30 years ...

Brady 9 Super Bowl appearances (6 wins)

P. Manning 4 Super Bowl appearances (2 wins)

Jim Kelly 4 Super Bowl appearances (0 wins)

Troy Aikman 3 Super Bowl appearances (3 wins)

Roethlisberger 3 Super Bowl appearances (2 wins)

Warner 3 Super Bowl appearances (1 win)

E. Manning 2 Super Bowl appearances (2 wins)

Elway 2 Super Bowl appearances (2 wins and 3 earlier appearances all losses)

R. Wilson 2 Super Bowl appearances (1 win)

Favre 2 Super Bowl appearances (1 win)

Aaron Rodgers 1 Super Bowl appearance (1 win) ... just like Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles, and Joe Flacco.

Lippo · Post #178 » by **Lippo** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 5:03 am

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books wrote:
WRau1 wrote:You can't have arguably the most talented QB of all time and not give him a single 1st rd target.

He's been throwing to Jennings (2nd round), Nelson (high 2nd), Jones (3rd), Cobb (2nd), Finley (3rd round TE), Adams (2nd). Sure, they haven't drafted a WR high lately, but that's plenty of draft investment. You can't ask the GM for more than 2011's perimeter of Jennings-Nelson-Cobb-Jones-Finley.

Brady did just fine with Edelman, Welker, etc..... Harry and Chad Jackson didn’t help, and Moss was only there for a year or two.

sdn40 · Post #179 » by **sdn40** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 1:01 pm

Lippo wrote:[list=]E[/list]
books wrote:
WRau1 wrote:You can't have arguably the most talented QB of all time and not give him a single 1st rd target.

He's been throwing to Jennings (2nd round), Nelson (high 2nd), Jones (3rd), Cobb (2nd), Finley (3rd round TE), Adams (2nd). Sure, they haven't drafted a WR high lately, but that's plenty of draft investment. You can't ask the GM for more than 2011's perimeter of Jennings-Nelson-Cobb-Jones-Finley.

Brady did just fine with Edelman, Welker, etc..... Harry and Chad Jackson didn’t help, and Moss was only there for a year or two.

And multiple top 10 defenses. Let's not forget that. How many more rings does Rodgers have if the defenses didn't sh*t the bed annually.

WRau1 · Post #180 » by **WRau1** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 6:17 pm

Lippo wrote:[list=]E[/list]
books wrote:
WRau1 wrote:You can't have arguably the most talented QB of all time and not give him a single 1st rd target.

He's been throwing to Jennings (2nd round), Nelson (high 2nd), Jones (3rd), Cobb (2nd), Finley (3rd round TE), Adams (2nd). Sure, they haven't drafted a WR high lately, but that's plenty of draft investment. You can't ask the GM for more than 2011's perimeter of Jennings-Nelson-Cobb-Jones-Finley.

Brady did just fine with Edelman, Welker, etc..... Harry and Chad Jackson didn’t help, and Moss was only there for a year or two.

Brady has 105 touchdown passes to 1st rd picks and multiple top10 defenses.