Report: Pack offer Favre $20 million to stay home

[mbucks22]

The thought of Brett in a Vikings uniform makes me sick. You don't trade your future hall of fame QB to your rival. This trade goes down, we are handing the division to the Queens. Favre will still be better than Rodgers this year by a mile and the thought of seeing him twice a year tear our defense to shreds, not something I want to see. They make the playoffs with ease and we struggle to get a wild card spot. Boy, I sure can't wait if this trade goes down! Disgusting that Packer fans would actually be okay with this trade.

[ReasonablySober]

Sure, it would be entertaining for two games a year, but when we lose both games and the Vikings win the division, then reality would set in. I could give a crap about the entertainment value of those two games, I want the Packers to win as many games as possible and get the best record/playoff seed possible, and trading Favre to the Vikings hurts that. In addition, you have the fan outcry and media circus beyond words if you trade him to Minny.

To me, it's the worst case scenario and it isn't close.

If Favre performs as well against the Packers as he has in big games for the last eight years, Green Bay shouldn't have anything to worry about. Hell, we should be encouraged at the prospect of him in Minni.

[LUKE23]

That's quite a spin, and one I don't agree with. Favre had one of his best five seasons last year and is light years better than Tarvaris. Given their strength at OL, DL, and RB, Favre makes them a 12-14 win team. With Favre they are as good as we were last year, IMO.

I don't want to hear rationalization on this. It would be a bad move in regards to the Packers fanbase and the media, and it would be a bad move in regards to the Packers winning more games next year.

This had better not happen.

[xTitan]

The truth of the matter is that Favre is brilliant.....he has manged to play the zealots (who hilariously believe they are like him), he has split Packer nation, the locker room, and virtually made a near impossible job for Rodgers, purely impossible. Favre has done all of this to achieve the single goal he has set out to do from the beginning and that is to be a Viking. Favre doesn't want to play for the Packers, he wouldn't have retired multiple times this year, threw his bosses under the bus, and most of all asked for his release day #1....oops almost forgot the tampering thing. It is a thing of beauty the Favre has perpetrated, he realizes his die hard fans aren't the brightest, and extrememly loyal...so he used them like a napkin....some of us are smart enough to see it and the entire Packer organization is as well......how anyone can back Favre in this fiasco is beyond me......he doesn't JUST want to play football.....he just wants to play football for 1 team...the Minnesota Vikings.

[rilamann]

Where this part of the argument falls apart is McCarthy. All he cares about is winning games. Don't you think if he thought Favre was head and shoulders above Rodgers at this point he'd be kissing Favre's ass and begging for him to come back?

Great point,its kind of an obvious one but one I havent seen many people bring up.

The point you make here is what gives me confidence in Rodgers and makes me confident its time for the Packers to move forward with Rodgers.

Its not how well Rodgers played in the Dallas game or pre-season last year or the fact that Rodgers is a ''young guy with potential''.Those are good positive factors but those wouldnt be enough to make me say lets go with Rodgers over Favre.

Its the confidence TT & MM are showing in Rodgers that gives me the most confidence in Rodgers and I have tons of respect for TT & MM and I think both guys are two of the best at their positions in the league.

To me TT & MM are Wolf & Holmgren part 2.

During this whole thing TT & MM have kinda been saying to Packer fans ''we know something you dont know''.

And that is that Aaron Rodgers is going to be one hell of a starting NFL QB.

If he (Rodgers) wasnt Favre would at practice in Green Bay as I type this.

Now the big issue still is can Rodgers stay healthy? The issue or question to me at this point about Rodgers is can he stay ehalthy not if he can play or not.

[InsideOut]

I'm listening to ESPN radio right now. Homer is doing a show on the "stupidity of people that believed the Packers offered a $20 million bribe to Favre". Homer hit the nail on the head. Everytime the Packers speak to Favre he runs to the media with his spin. Homer then says he can't believe how stupid people are to believe anything Favre leaks to the media. Amen.

[El Duderino]

Brett is your typical superstar with a huge ego

I think when the Packers told him, we've moved on, you can come back as a backup and not compete for a starting job the nails came out. Brett got pissed and said to himself, we'll see about that pal. He already didn't care for Thompson before the you can be a backup, but once he was told that, Favre's only objective became get on the Vikings and stick it to Thompson regardless of the chaos that would follow.

Star athletes are so used to getting their way and when they feel they've been crossed, they can get big time vindictive. I think Favre would play for free to get on a team that allowed him the chance to stick it to Ted and embarrass TT in any way possible.

[msiris]

I find it funny that people put words in other peoples mouths. Who knows who said what, where, and why. You all pretty much spin it the way you want it.

[tracey_nice]

Brett is your typical superstar with a huge ego

I think when the Packers told him, we've moved on, you can come back as a backup and not compete for a starting job the nails came out. Brett got pissed and said to himself, we'll see about that pal. He already didn't care for Thompson before the you can be a backup, but once he was told that, Favre's only objective became get on the Vikings and stick it to Thompson regardless of the chaos that would follow.

Star athletes are so used to getting their way and when they feel they've been crossed, they can get big time vindictive. I think Favre would play for free to get on a team that allowed him the chance to stick it to Ted and embarrass TT in any way possible.

If you were Favre and you were the starting QB of the NFC in the Pro Bowl and the team you played for told you that you could only comeback as a back, I think you'd be really pissed as well.

[ReasonablySober]

If you were Favre and you were the starting QB of the NFC in the Pro Bowl and the team you played for told you that you could only comeback as a back, I think you'd be really pissed as well.

If I were GM and I used a 2nd round pick to replace a retired player, only to see said player want to return (after missing every single team activity in the offseason), I'd be pretty pissed.

[tracey_nice]

^^Yeah, true. But, you can tell me you don't see were Favre is coming from, he was a star QB in the NFL, arguably the best in the NFC, JUST LAST SEASON, and thats not the only reason Favre should be upset with GB telling me not to comeback, or if you comeback ride the pine, this is the same franchise he put his heart and soul into, the same franchise were he won his 3 MVPs and created his legacy as a possible GOAT candidate at the QB position. If I was Favre I'd vexxed, and would not want to comeback to the Packers right now, but still continue to play.

[ReasonablySober]

I don't believe that Favre ever wanted to come back to GB, so no, I don't see how he can be upset with the events that have unfolded.

[Neusch23]

DB, I am sorry, but you can spin it any way you want, however, the locker room is already split. There are more players in there right now, (according to the players that I have talked with, granted only 2, but they had the same story) more players want Brett.

The vets are not looking for a player to invite them over to play video games. They are looking for a leader. Someone who will get them to the playoffs. Someone to give them the best chance to win.

Driver, Woodson, Harris, etc. They are already on the back nine of their careers. They got to smell a NFC championship game, and they don't want to loose it.

The Players trust the winner, more than they do their buddy, and unproven talent.

Rodgers could be great, or he could be foot steps falco.

Bottom line, we don't owe Rodgers, or Favre anything. The team needs to put the best team on the field, and my opinion is they choose to buck the norm, and for really, the first time in history allow things to be public, and go this far with a Super Star. Should be an interesting ending.

Where this part of the argument falls apart is McCarthy. All he cares about is winning games. Don't you think if he thought Favre was head and shoulders above Rodgers at this point he'd be kissing Favre's ass and begging for him to come back?

No. Because he has made it clear that he and Brett have different opinions on how things are run. Obviously, they have worked things out fairly well to this point. Where they couldn't continue is beyond me.

Fact of the matter is that I have been to TC this year, and several times every year. Rodgers look much better last year, but before that was very, very poor.

[Marley2Hendrix]

(*1st, outstanding effort on DrugBusts part throughout the thread)

Since I never post here, let me preface this by sharing that I've been absolutely spoiled by GMing greatness in my fan-dom the past few years. I have an unhealthy infatuation with Danny Ainge and the smug adorability he's displayed throughout collecting chips almost entirely through the draft, taking the bad w/ the good, and finally cashing in and building a contender, but my love for him stems from a playing days quote in which he expressed that he would have traded Bird/McHale from Boston to reload rather than be loyal and see them retire as Cs and suffer through a transitional lull (though two untimely deaths certainly didn't help). Going into this offseason, I actually thought there was a decent chance Ainge would cash in on RayRays peak value despite the championship season that brings me back to the packers...

there is no such thing as loyalty in sports, & if there is, why isn't it a 2 way street. (As Luke can attest, especially from 2002?-04 era on the espn boards) Favre has left a horrible taste in my mouth since he always took the opportunity to bash on teammates like Mike McKenzie or Javon Walker, yet his current behavior is inextricably worse than anything they did to this team. He has split a locker-room, turned a number of fans and media pundits (*although my prevailing attitude is 'meh', they aren't worth much anyway) against the organization and more importantly one hell of a competent GM/Coaching duo. TT has reloaded this team through fiscal responsibility, outstanding drafting, and player development. Moreso than any sport football is a team game, & I've hated having to watch the team lose in the postseason year after year because of a veteran who shows a complete lack of respect for his teammates abilities & always tries to make the game be about him and his winning or losing the game based on a (often times errant) miracle heave into traffic. Favre did some amazing things with this team... 10 years ago and carried them on his back at times, but we have the receivers, a developing oline, and great mix of vets/youth on D that will win games on its own w/ a heady qb at the helm. I would rather take my chances winning/losing as a team with a QB chosen by the outstanding MM/TT than leave it all on the whim of a man who thinks, nay, entirely believes he is bigger than an organization.

Back to loyalty, why do we owe favre an outright release or Ryan Grant huge coin. 1st, I feel the Favre situation has tainted every move TT makes in the eyes of too many fans/media. Grant had a great rookie year, but he was helped by an Oline gaining its mojo, one hell of an effort by the WR core, and a coach that was dedicated to seeing him succeed (RE: sticking w/ him after his early fumbles in the postseason... GB has just as much reason to be loyal to Grant as he does to this team). Yet, now the packers are being perceived as being excessively frugle and idiotic even though the TT mantra has been drafting, financial management and internal development---if Grant asks for too much, guess what, we have B-Jax looking much improved & I suspect he's holding out on dropping coin to Grant until the Favre financial situation is resolved...

A final thought to explore... every single year I swear the Vikings are winning the NFC Central/North on paper in the preseason (& god help me, I'm moving to Minneapolis Aug. 27 ***) and I still don't see how they are such a dominant force. I love Peterson, but I still see him as a tremendous injury risk, the WRs strike no fear into me, and frankly I'd be more fearful of a Vikings squad featuring Adrian Peterson and relying on Tavaris to simply handoff all the while posing the threat of a running qb who can make 1-3 big throws per game rather than a Brett Favre show hucking 25-35 passes per game with the 1-6 idiotic backbreakers per game. Brett Favre wants to play the packers, well, I'm w/ DB, my football Nirvana is favre getting abused by Harris/Woodson and this young Packer's Defense.

[rilamann]

(*1st, outstanding effort on DrugBusts part throughout the thread)

Since I never post here, let me preface this by sharing that I've been absolutely spoiled by GMing greatness in my fan-dom the past few years. I have an unhealthy infatuation with Danny Ainge and the smug adorability he's displayed throughout collecting chips almost entirely through the draft, taking the bad w/ the good, and finally cashing in and building a contender, but my love for him stems from a playing days quote in which he expressed that he would have traded Bird/McHale from Boston to reload rather than be loyal and see them retire as Cs and suffer through a transitional lull (though two untimely deaths certainly didn't help). Going into this offseason, I actually thought there was a decent chance Ainge would cash in on RayRays peak value despite the championship season that brings me back to the packers...

there is no such thing as loyalty in sports, & if there is, why isn't it a 2 way street. (As Luke can attest, especially from 2002?-04 era on the espn boards) Favre has left a horrible taste in my mouth since he always took the opportunity to bash on teammates like Mike McKenzie or Javon Walker, yet his current behavior is inextricably worse than anything they did to this team. He has split a locker-room, turned a number of fans and media pundits (*although my prevailing attitude is 'meh', they aren't worth much anyway) against the organization and more importantly one hell of a competent GM/Coaching duo. TT has reloaded this team through fiscal responsibility, outstanding drafting, and player development. Moreso than any sport football is a team game, & I've hated having to watch the team lose in the postseason year after year because of a veteran who shows a complete lack of respect for his teammates abilities & always tries to make the game be about him and his winning or losing the game based on a (often times errant) miracle heave into traffic. Favre did some amazing things with this team... 10 years ago and carried them on his back at times, but we have the receivers, a developing oline, and great mix of vets/youth on D that will win games on its own w/ a heady qb at the helm. I would rather take my chances winning/losing as a team with a QB chosen by the outstanding MM/TT than leave it all on the whim of a man who thinks, nay, entirely believes he is bigger than an organization.

Back to loyalty, why do we owe favre an outright release or Ryan Grant huge coin. 1st, I feel the Favre situation has tainted every move TT makes in the eyes of too many fans/media. Grant had a great rookie year, but he was helped by an Oline gaining its mojo, one hell of an effort by the WR core, and a coach that was dedicated to seeing him succeed (RE: sticking w/ him after his early fumbles in the postseason... GB has just as much reason to be loyal to Grant as he does to this team). Yet, now the packers are being perceived as being excessively frugle and idiotic even though the TT mantra has been drafting, financial management and internal development---if Grant asks for too much, guess what, we have B-Jax looking much improved & I suspect he's holding out on dropping coin to Grant until the Favre financial situation is resolved...

A final thought to explore... every single year I swear the Vikings are winning the NFC Central/North on paper in the preseason (& god help me, I'm moving to Minneapolis Aug. 27 ***) and I still don't see how they are such a dominant force. I love Peterson, but I still see him as a tremendous injury risk, the WRs strike no fear into me, and frankly I'd be more fearful of a Vikings squad featuring Adrian Peterson and relying on Tavaris to simply handoff all the while posing the threat of a running qb who can make 1-3 big throws per game rather than a Brett Favre show hucking 25-35 passes per game with the 1-6 idiotic backbreakers per game. Brett Favre wants to play the packers, well, I'm w/ DB, my football Nirvana is favre getting abused by Harris/Woodson and this young Packer's Defense.

Great post overall and I realy agree with you on the Vikings being overrated going into this season.I do think they have a shot at the playoffs as a wild card but people picking them to win more than 10 games and or winning the NFC are on crack.

Peterson had a rock solid rookie year and I think hes going to be a great player but now teams have game flim on him and will game plan on stopping him,he wont sneak up on anyone like last season.Dont get me wrong im not saying I think he will be shut down totally but when when you consider the Vikes dont have much of a passing game (no QB & medicore WRs) the offense will struggle bigtime if you can shut down or limit AP.

Their defense is good but not great,i'd take the Packers overall defense over the Vikes in a heartbeat and the Vikes one dimemensional offense isnt even on the same planet as the Packers offense provided Grant is re-signed.

And I already mentioned coaching a few posts ago.


As for Favre mind you im a big Favre fan (only if hes in a Packer uniform or property of the Packers though) but the thought of Favre on the Vikes get me real hyped because i'd love to see Al & Wood pick him off a few times or Kampan sack his ass or even better would be seeing Bigby knock his ass off on a saftey blitz.

Whooooo,seeing that might get me hyped up to go out there and play a couple downs.

[Buck You]

ESPN said that Favre will most likely take the deal. THANK GOD. It's almost over.

[El Duderino]

I don't believe that Favre ever wanted to come back to GB, so no, I don't see how he can be upset with the events that have unfolded.

I see that as a small possibility, but more likely that once he felt Thompson disrespected him with the you can only be a backup plan, that was the nail in the coffin for Favre in regards to Ted and instantly he went into i'll show that guy mode.

Look how testy Brett got over the years when reporters questioned his decision making in games with the interceptions. Most big time athletes don't take well to criticism and can hold grudges. So when Brett was told his job was gone and he can be only a backup from a guy Favre had previous issues with, the the already sharpened knives finally came out.

Then it was obvious for Brett what was the best way to stick it to Thompson, try and force his way on to the Vikings.

Who knows though, we can only speculate on this.

[El Duderino]

Yet, now the packers are being perceived as being excessively frugle and idiotic even though the TT mantra has been drafting, financial management and internal development---if Grant asks for too much, guess what, we have B-Jax looking much improved & I suspect he's holding out on dropping coin to Grant until the Favre financial situation is resolved...

I'm not going to comment much on the contract negotiations given that everything there is about the details on both sides and i don't have access to the offers.

With that said, i'm not in the it won't matter if we get Grant signed camp because Jackson will just step in wonderfully. Grant offers the big play ability that nobody else in the RB core offers. It's vitally important that he gets signed and hopefully soon if the team truly does want a more balanced attack with more rushing attempts.

As for Favre affecting Grant's contract negotiations, i don't buy it. Even if the 12 million of Brett's contract was on the books, there would still be plenty of cap room available to pay Grant if both sides could agree on numbers.

[xTitan]

I think there is a better than average chance that Goodell told the Favre camp the the Vikings clearly are guilty of tampering and that he would not be able to allow Favre to play for the Vikings...which would obviously make the marketing deal far more attractive since Minnesota is the only team Favre wants to play for.

[bucks59]

The weird thing about this is that if Favre just reported to camp and played two years, he would make more money.