Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Adams Traded to Raiders for 2022 1st and 2nd Rd Picks

WRau1 · Post #1681 » by **WRau1** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:57 pm

TJ_Ford_11 wrote:As good as Rodgers is, if the Packers don't win a Super Bowl, it is now 100% on him. Other players restructure their contract to help their team sign more players. Rodgers restructures his contract to take up more salary cap and have to trade/cut their best players. Winning a Super Bowl is clearly not as important to him as many other players in this league. I honestly wish the Packers would have traded him to give the Packers head start in a rebuild. I don't see this team winning a super bowl with its current roster.

Treebeard · Post #1682 » by **Treebeard** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 4:37 am

FWIW, from Wes Hodkiewicz of Packers.com:

O'Donnell adopted the cold and has been one of the league's most consistent punters. He's also an experienced holder who can handle kickoffs in a pinch.

raysbookclub · Post #1683 » by **raysbookclub** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 3:42 pm

O'Donnell is a proven, pretty good punter and holder. Gotta think the new ST coach Bisaccia, who's coached ST in the NFL a long time, watched last year's film and encouraged the move for O'Donnell to replace Bojorquez.

Feel bad for Gutey that ST was such a disaster last year, because he did try. He spent a 3rd-round pick on a returner, Rodgers. Big bust, and Idk if Rodgers makes the team this year. And he made the trade for Bojorquez at the end of preseason, which looked good punting-wise for most of the year and seemed to look good for winter with his Bills' background, but then he just melted in Dec and Jan.

O'Donnell is a safe, solid move. We'll see what they do for a returner. The Bears guy who looked good last year against us, Jakeem Grant, already signed with someone else; Idk who else is out there, maybe Gutey takes another swing (or 2?) in the draft.

M-C-G · Post #1684 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 4:03 pm

raysbookclub wrote:
O'Donnell is a safe, solid move. We'll see what they do for a returner. The Bears guy who looked good last year against us, Jakeem Grant, already signed with someone else; Idk who else is out there, maybe Gutey takes another swing (or 2?) in the draft.

Ray Ray McCloud was the other guy I was interested in but he went to the niners. Need to address it in the draft. Looking at the top WR, looks like Jameson Williams has Kick Return experience and Garrett Wilson has punt returning experience.

I have mentioned it before but Velus Jones JR would solve our MVS field stretcher, kick returner and punt returner all in one. A bit older of a prospect but legit 4.3 speed and good size. I think I'd be ok with using a third to get him.

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Post #1685 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 4:11 pm

Absolutely Bisaccia was behind getting a new punter. You don't hire a respected ST coach, pay him a lot of money and then change punters without his blessing.

VooDoo7 · Post #1686 » by **VooDoo7** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 4:44 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Absolutely Bisaccia was behind getting a new punter. You don't hire a respected ST coach, pay him a lot of money and then change punters without his blessing.

Agree 100%.

Then again, they did draft Rodgers replacement a few months after playing in the NFCCG without at least mentioning it to him. Not that they had to, but I'd guess most teams would at least talk to their HoF QB about their thought process on that.

LittleRooster · Post #1687 » by **LittleRooster** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 5:19 pm

VooDoo7 wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:Absolutely Bisaccia was behind getting a new punter. You don't hire a respected ST coach, pay him a lot of money and then change punters without his blessing.

Agree 100%.

Then again, they did draft Rodgers replacement a few months after playing in the NFCCG without at least mentioning it to him. Not that they had to, but I'd guess most teams would at least talk to their HoF QB about their thought process on that.

I agree he must have been ok with it

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Matches Malone · Post #1688 » by **Matches Malone** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 5:57 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Absolutely Bisaccia was behind getting a new punter. You don't hire a respected ST coach, pay him a lot of money and then change punters without his blessing.

Probably watched film of Bojo trying to hold and said,

MoMM · Post #1689 » by **MoMM** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:17 pm

Matches Malone wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:Absolutely Bisaccia was behind getting a new punter. You don't hire a respected ST coach, pay him a lot of money and then change punters without his blessing.

Probably watched film of Bojo trying to hold and said,

Holding shouldn't be this complicated, right?

Gianstoppable · Post #1690 » by **Gianstoppable** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:04 am

MoMM wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:Absolutely Bisaccia was behind getting a new punter. You don't hire a respected ST coach, pay him a lot of money and then change punters without his blessing.

Probably watched film of Bojo trying to hold and said,

Holding shouldn't be this complicated, right?

Think about how quick you need to get the snap, spin it and hold it at the right angle all within 2 seconds. Long snappers and holders dont get credit but it can be hard to find someone great at that and also above average at another position

MoMM · Post #1691 » by **MoMM** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:24 am

What about Tonyan's deal? Any news about the numbers except for the void year?

MoMM · Post #1692 » by **MoMM** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:31 pm

Gianstoppable wrote:
MoMM wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
Probably watched film of Bojo trying to hold and said,

Holding shouldn't be this complicated, right?

Think about how quick you need to get the snap, spin it and hold it at the right angle all within 2 seconds. Long snappers and holders dont get credit but it can be hard to find someone great at that and also above average at another position

It seems something pretty much doable by any backup QB, if they don't have good hands to get a snap, spin and hold, then you have trouble. I have no idea why teams don't use a backup QB for this.

ReddRum · Post #1693 » by **ReddRum** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:04 pm

MoMM wrote:What about Tonyan's deal? Any news about the numbers except for the void year?

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The one-year deal #Packers TE Robert Tonyan received is worth $3.7M and includes $1.75M in incentives, according to a source. The #Packers had to pay because at least three other teams were interested in signing him despite coming off a torn ACL. Says what people think of him.

MoMM · Post #1694 » by **MoMM** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:14 pm

ReddRum wrote:
MoMM wrote:What about Tonyan's deal? Any news about the numbers except for the void year?

Tom Silverstein
@TomSilverstein
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The one-year deal #Packers TE Robert Tonyan received is worth $3.7M and includes $1.75M in incentives, according to a source. The #Packers had to pay because at least three other teams were interested in signing him despite coming off a torn ACL. Says what people think of him.

That's fair, if not for the injury he would earn way more. Spotrac was projecting over 10mil:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/robert-tonyan-jr-22072/market-value/

M-C-G · Post #1695 » by **M-C-G** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:21 pm

MoMM wrote:It seems something pretty much doable by any backup QB, if they don't have good hands to get a snap, spin and hold, then you have trouble. I have no idea why teams don't use a backup QB for this.

Agreed, I get the reason they want the punter so that they can special teams practice without having to have the back up QB there, but they shouldn't sign someone solely because they hold and be below average punting. But, I am sure signing this ST coach, he got full input on who they signed for punter, that's my guess.

coolhandluke121 · Post #1696 » by **coolhandluke121** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:21 pm

I think that's a good deal for a TE who has clicked with Rodgers in the past. Barring another injury, he should easily be 100% by the playoffs, which is what really matters. I don't think they have to worry if guys like Tonyan or (god willing) Jameson Williams have to work themselves back into top form for the first half of the regular season.

coolhandluke121 · Post #1697 » by **coolhandluke121** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:24 pm

M-C-G wrote:
Ray Ray McCloud was the other guy I was interested in but he went to the niners. Need to address it in the draft. Looking at the top WR, looks like Jameson Williams has Kick Return experience and Garrett Wilson has punt returning experience.

I have mentioned it before but Velus Jones JR would solve our MVS field stretcher, kick returner and punt returner all in one. A bit older of a prospect but legit 4.3 speed and good size. I think I'd be ok with using a third to get him.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Yeah, seems like a guy who would be a pretty safe bet to help the team in multiple areas of need. His upside may be limited by size, although he's listed bigger than he looks on the field to me, but they're obviously in a position where they can justify "getting on base or advancing the runners" instead of swinging for the fences.

ETA: I guess he's a legit 6'0, 200 pounds. Makes you wonder why he hasn't been a little more productive. I think 3rd-round might be too high for him.

Post #1698 » by **MickeyDavis** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:29 pm

Boroquez had a 46.5 gross average, O'Donnell 46.2 Net it was Boroquez 40.0, O'Donnell 38.5. And the Packers punt return defense was better than Chicago's. The difference is tiny so moving on to someone who is a good holder is a no brainer.

Treebeard · Post #1699 » by **Treebeard** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:44 pm

My thought on the priority for the ST's is to prevent the game altering gaffes on kick coverage. Returns for 40 yards or more give opponents great field position, plus energizes their offense. After that, JFC...., master blocking for FGs and PATs.... That should be pretty basic.

Matches Malone · Post #1700 » by **Matches Malone** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:53 pm

MoMM wrote:
Gianstoppable wrote:
MoMM wrote:Holding shouldn't be this complicated, right?

Think about how quick you need to get the snap, spin it and hold it at the right angle all within 2 seconds. Long snappers and holders dont get credit but it can be hard to find someone great at that and also above average at another position

It seems something pretty much doable by any backup QB, if they don't have good hands to get a snap, spin and hold, then you have trouble. I have no idea why teams don't use a backup QB for this.

Yeah, QB's would probably be decent at it. Madden still makes the backup QB hold during FG's. 8-)