Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Adams Traded to Raiders for 2022 1st and 2nd Rd Picks

[M-C-G]

Ray Ray McCloud was the other guy I was interested in but he went to the niners. Need to address it in the draft. Looking at the top WR, looks like Jameson Williams has Kick Return experience and Garrett Wilson has punt returning experience.

I have mentioned it before but Velus Jones JR would solve our MVS field stretcher, kick returner and punt returner all in one. A bit older of a prospect but legit 4.3 speed and good size. I think I'd be ok with using a third to get him.

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Yeah, seems like a guy who would be a pretty safe bet to help the team in multiple areas of need. His upside may be limited by size, although he's listed bigger than he looks on the field to me, but they're obviously in a position where they can justify "getting on base or advancing the runners" instead of swinging for the fences.

ETA: I guess he's a legit 6'0, 200 pounds. Makes you wonder why he hasn't been a little more productive. I think 3rd-round might be too high for him.

You might be right, lets say fourth though. He day one gives you (probably?) a plus kick returner, a plus punt returner, a starting gunner and a big play deep threat. Those are legit all needs on this roster, if we can find one guy to plug that many roles, feels like a win.

[Treebeard]

Think about how quick you need to get the snap, spin it and hold it at the right angle all within 2 seconds. Long snappers and holders dont get credit but it can be hard to find someone great at that and also above average at another position

It seems something pretty much doable by any backup QB, if they don't have good hands to get a snap, spin and hold, then you have trouble. I have no idea why teams don't use a backup QB for this.

Yeah, QB's would probably be decent at it. Madden still makes the backup QB hold during FG's.

Once upon a time, the backup QB as holder was the standard. The theory being they were accustomed to sometimes recieving long snaps and it conveyed more of a threat to fake the kick and go with a pass.

I get the premise of keeping all the functions with the ST personnel for consistent practice - as long as it actually pays off.....

[MoMM]

Boroquez had a 46.5 gross average, O'Donnell 46.2 Net it was Boroquez 40.0, O'Donnell 38.5. And the Packers punt return defense was better than Chicago's. The difference is tiny so moving on to someone who is a good holder is a no brainer.

I can agree in this case, because the difference is minimum, but let's be real, it doesn't make sense overall.

Getting a snap, spin and hold = you use your hands
Punting = you use your legs

It's like if when playing soccer you ask your attacking forward to be a goalkeeper too, it's the same game, but totally different skill sets and even parts of the body that you use.

[Treebeard]

Trivia question: who was the last Packer QB to consistently hold for kicks? (I don't know the answer)

[MoMM]

It seems something pretty much doable by any backup QB, if they don't have good hands to get a snap, spin and hold, then you have trouble. I have no idea why teams don't use a backup QB for this.

Yeah, QB's would probably be decent at it. Madden still makes the backup QB hold during FG's.

Once upon a time, the backup QB as holder was the standard. The theory being they were accustomed to sometimes recieving long snaps and it conveyed more of a threat to fake the kick and go with a pass.

Which is another point that could be used in favour of having a backup QB instead of a punter.
You create unknown plays that are harder to predict, even if you don't go for the fake punt, it will impact their returning.

[coolhandluke121]

My thought on the priority for the ST's is to prevent the game altering gaffes on kick coverage. Returns for 40 yards or more give opponents great field position, plus energizes their offense. After that, JFC...., master blocking for FGs and PATs.... That should be pretty basic.

Game-altering gaffes in general are the issue, not just on coverage. A better punter and kicker can make a difference assuming a basic level of competence in coverage, blocking, returns, ball security, holding, etc. But when you can't even do those things reliably, the otherwise important differences in punter/kicker quality start to pale in comparison. The Packers could have won the title with below average special teams. They just needed to not have the worst special teams in the league by a wide margin, and they couldn't even do that.

[Treebeard]

Yeah, QB's would probably be decent at it. Madden still makes the backup QB hold during FG's.

Once upon a time, the backup QB as holder was the standard. The theory being they were accustomed to sometimes recieving long snaps and it conveyed more of a threat to fake the kick and go with a pass.

Which is another point that could be used in favour of having a backup QB instead of a punter.
You create unknown plays that are harder to predict, even if you don't go for the fake punt, it will impact their returning.

I have to think the idea of faking the kick has faded as kickers range and accuracy has gone up significantly in the last twenty years or so. The HC makes the tactical decision to accept the 3 points and that's the end of it - till the STs cock it up.....

[tski1972]

Boroquez had a 46.5 gross average, O'Donnell 46.2 Net it was Boroquez 40.0, O'Donnell 38.5. And the Packers punt return defense was better than Chicago's. The difference is tiny so moving on to someone who is a good holder is a no brainer.

I can agree in this case, because the difference is minimum, but let's be real, it doesn't make sense overall.

Getting a snap, spin and hold = you use your hands
Punting = you use your legs

It's like if when playing soccer you ask your attacking forward to be a goalkeeper too, it's the same game, but totally different skill sets and even parts of the body that you use.

How does the punter get the ball?

I’ll help, he gets a snap, spins it with his hands to get it in position to kick it.

[M-C-G]

I think with our top 5 picks, if we can add a WR or 2, DT, Edge, OT, we are in great shape, but the problem is that you basically need one of the WR to be able to start, the other contribute, the DT to start, the Edge to be in the rotation, and OT may have to start or be primary back up depending on Yosh moving to RT and Dave's health.

[ReasonablySober]

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Hey I like this one.

[emunney]

My thought on the priority for the ST's is to prevent the game altering gaffes on kick coverage. Returns for 40 yards or more give opponents great field position, plus energizes their offense. After that, JFC...., master blocking for FGs and PATs.... That should be pretty basic.

Game-altering gaffes in general are the issue, not just on coverage. A better punter and kicker can make a difference assuming a basic level of competence in coverage, blocking, returns, ball security, holding, etc. But when you can't even do those things reliably, the otherwise important differences in punter/kicker quality start to pale in comparison. The Packers could have won the title with below average special teams. They just needed to not have the worst special teams in the league by a wide margin, and they couldn't even do that.

I have never in my life seen a special teams unit make as many catastrophic mistakes as the Packers' did this past year. It was downright farcical.

[VooDoo7]

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Hey I like this one.

WTH. Packers didn't even have a billboard announcing his visit. Amateurs. Good signing.

[LUKE23]

He’s been a stud hasn’t he?

[Mags FTW]

Good. Every need we fill in FA frees up a draft pick for luxury.

[LUKE23]

Good. Every need we fill in FA frees up a draft pick for luxury.

Yep. Hope we just go nuts on offense in the draft.

[Frank Nova]

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Hey I like this one.

WTH. Packers didn't even have a billboard announcing his visit. Amateurs. Good signing.

Reed has always been strong and disruptive. Love this signing. Reed and Clark should be a load up front

[Matches Malone]

I'm buying a Gary jersey.

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[RRyder823]

Like the Reed signing. Still gotta get one of the FA WRs out there. If they don't get one by the end of the week I'd guess they're gonna wait till after the draft

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[DrinkyPoo]

https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article233018892.html

Not a fan of adding scumbags to the team. Gross.

[ReasonablySober]

Ahhh dammit. I didn't know about that.