2020 Packers News, Trades, Transactions - RIP Ted Thompson

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The leak might have been from the Giants' side or from Tomlinson's agent. Tomlinson drums up some mid-season interest to benefit his free agency prospects after this season. Giants probably can't keep both him and Leonard Williams, esp with a reduced cap.

If it were from the Packers, they could be thinking it helps them PR-wise to show that they're "in every conversation" even if they don't pull the trigger. I don't think GB fans really care though; they could care less about being in all these conversations if no actual trades happen.

A "mid-round pick" is like a 3rd, 4th, or 5th. I'd guess GB offered a 5th. I can't seem them offering more with him being a free agent after the season. Cap-wise and ability-wise, Quennin Williams from the other NY team was the guy to get, even if it had cost a 2nd or a 1st.

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[sdn40]

If we assume the cap next year will be $175 million
If we assume Bakhtiari is worth $20 million per

I am not a cap expert, but giving a quick browse of the cap situation of all 32 teams, who is gonna give him the money ? Obviously, the cap will be talked about at nauseam before the last of the confetti falls, but I wouldn't want to be a FA after this season. A long time between now and then, and who knows what the NFL will come up with, but if every team has to make cuts, I gotta believe it's gonna be a wild off season, with a ton of movement in what could be a down market

[Matches Malone]

Imagine if next years O-Line is

Turner - Jenkins - Patrick - Runyan - Wagner

[sdn40]

Imagine if next years O-Line is

Turner - Jenkins - Patrick - Runyan - Wagner

Wagner has a $6m cap hit. Don't think that's gonna happen

[RRyder823]

If we assume the cap next year will be $175 million
If we assume Bakhtiari is worth $20 million per

I am not a cap expert, but giving a quick browse of the cap situation of all 32 teams, who is gonna give him the money ? Obviously, the cap will be talked about at nauseam before the last of the confetti falls, but I wouldn't want to be a FA after this season. A long time between now and then, and who knows what the NFL will come up with, but if every team has to make cuts, I gotta believe it's gonna be a wild off season, with a ton of movement in what could be a down market

Jaguars (100 million projected), Jets (98 million), Colts (94 million) and Patriots (73 million) all have a **** ton of cap space next year whether it goes down or not. I could easily see any of those teams throwing Bahk big money

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[sdn40]

If we assume the cap next year will be $175 million
If we assume Bakhtiari is worth $20 million per

I am not a cap expert, but giving a quick browse of the cap situation of all 32 teams, who is gonna give him the money ? Obviously, the cap will be talked about at nauseam before the last of the confetti falls, but I wouldn't want to be a FA after this season. A long time between now and then, and who knows what the NFL will come up with, but if every team has to make cuts, I gotta believe it's gonna be a wild off season, with a ton of movement in what could be a down market

Jaguars (100 million projected), Jets (98 million), Colts (94 million) and Patriots (73 million) all have a **** ton of cap space next year whether it goes down or not. I could easily see any of those teams throwing Bahk big money

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Actually no, because all of those teams are set at LT

[RRyder823]

If we assume the cap next year will be $175 million
If we assume Bakhtiari is worth $20 million per

I am not a cap expert, but giving a quick browse of the cap situation of all 32 teams, who is gonna give him the money ? Obviously, the cap will be talked about at nauseam before the last of the confetti falls, but I wouldn't want to be a FA after this season. A long time between now and then, and who knows what the NFL will come up with, but if every team has to make cuts, I gotta believe it's gonna be a wild off season, with a ton of movement in what could be a down market

Jaguars (100 million projected), Jets (98 million), Colts (94 million) and Patriots (73 million) all have a **** ton of cap space next year whether it goes down or not. I could easily see any of those teams throwing Bahk big money

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Actually no, because all of those teams are set at LT

Perhaps I overstated but I wouldn't say "set" for all 4.

In any case Washington, Cincinnati, Denver and the Chargers all have over 30 million in room and another 6 teams have over 20 million (under a 175 cap)

Now obviously every one of those teams will have players they themselves want to retain along with signing their own draft picks but my larger point is that there will be teams capable of paying for a big time FA pickup.

The pinch from the lowered cap will be very real for players come FA but id guess that pinch will mostly be felt by the mid tier guys with the average amount of cap space looking like it'll be around half the normal amount. A elite player like Bahk is still in all likelihood going to get a massive offer as a team with an "average amount of cap space" probably wasn't going to be in on signing him even in a normal cap year

On a side note just looking through these numbers good lord are the Saints and Eagles screwed next season

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Relevant to the oline topic. Hat tip to Billy Turner who's having himself a heck of a season.

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[James1980]

I can't believe we signed Dean Lowery to $7 mil a year deal with all these pending free agents after this year. Even signing Kenny Clark, I would rather have Bakhtiari than him. We need to make some serious moves and cap cuts next offseason.

[El Duderino]

If we assume the cap next year will be $175 million
If we assume Bakhtiari is worth $20 million per

I am not a cap expert, but giving a quick browse of the cap situation of all 32 teams, who is gonna give him the money ? Obviously, the cap will be talked about at nauseam before the last of the confetti falls, but I wouldn't want to be a FA after this season. A long time between now and then, and who knows what the NFL will come up with, but if every team has to make cuts, I gotta believe it's gonna be a wild off season, with a ton of movement in what could be a down market

Jaguars (100 million projected), Jets (98 million), Colts (94 million) and Patriots (73 million) all have a **** ton of cap space next year whether it goes down or not. I could easily see any of those teams throwing Bahk big money

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Actually no, because all of those teams are set at LT

Elite tackles get paid. If the Packers try to get Bakhtiari on the cheap, he'll find a team elsewhere. The cap can always be manipulated if a team really wanted Bakhtiari, but doesn't have a lot of cap space or if a team already has a solid LT, that guy could be moved to RT for a set of book-end tackles.

Bakhtiari would be the best LT to hit free agency in awhile if the Packers don't lock him up and thus he likely wouldn't lack for enough suitors to get a big contract.

[Ron Swanson]

I mean, this is the downside of investing heavily in free agency. You can cut Preston, Amos, Wagner etc. to create some room, but their dead cap hits aren't gonna magically go away (see: Jimmy Graham). It didn't take a cap guru to know that the numbers crunch was inevitable and this was exactly what a lot of people were warning about when pushing back against the "MOAR free agents" crowd. I think the Clark extension pretty much signaled that at least two of Bahk, Jones, King, Linsley are gone next season, with Bahk clearly being the most likely given his market price.

[Matches Malone]

Aren't there more moves the Packers and Russ Ball can do to maneuver around the cap? Such as deferred payments etc? I thought KC was pretty much up against the cap last year and were able to make significant cap room to retain some of their big free agents. I think there will still be some loses (personally I think King and Williams are as good as gone) but I think they'll be able to manage getting at least Jones and Bahk back if they want.

[MickeyDavis]

Been keeping tabs of Bulaga after the Chargers signed him to a 3/$30 million deal. He played a full game, then just 8 and 34 snaps. Missed the next 3 games, played a full game and then left last week after 2 snaps. We seem to walk away at the right time with linemen (Bulaga, Lang, Sitton).

[CWoodfan]

I can't believe we (re-)signed Dean Lowery to ...

You could have just ended your sentence right there.

I will never understand this Organization's penchant for playing and paying never better than mediocre defensive players as if they were good.

Lowry is the Jake Ryan of defensive lineman, assignment sure otherwise lacking in every other conceivable way.

He constantly gets blown out at the point of attack, can't rush the passer at all (his "unblocked" sack against the Vikes was his first in 3 seasons), he is not all that big, he is not quick, he does not have a motor.

What did Gute see in him to want him back so badly?

The sad part is, Lowry somehow gets more snaps than Montravious Adams and Kingsley Keke.

[sdn40]

Elite tackles get paid. If the Packers try to get Bakhtiari on the cheap, he'll find a team elsewhere. The cap can always be manipulated if a team really wanted Bakhtiari, but doesn't have a lot of cap space or if a team already has a solid LT, that guy could be moved to RT for a set of book-end tackles.

Bakhtiari would be the best LT to hit free agency in awhile if the Packers don't lock him up and thus he likely wouldn't lack for enough suitors to get a big contract.

It hasn't been talked about yet, but I think people underestimate what this off-season may be like. Granted, the cap number hasn't been set, and we don't know what provisions the NFL may come up with, but it could be chaos. Yes, Bakhtiari will get paid. If I'm the Packers, I'm not gonna be in a hurry to hand him the most expensive LT contract, if that is indeed what he wants. It's gonna be a straight up scramble drill with teams trying to get under the cap and the number of guys becoming available could be crazy. The simple economics of all of this is that the market is gonna be down. Significantly could be an understatement. To take it a step further, does a sh**ty team with money and in a rebuild need a $20 mill/per LT ? This off-season is not gonna be the norm

[jakecronus8]

Aren't there more moves the Packers and Russ Ball can do to maneuver around the cap? Such as deferred payments etc? I thought KC was pretty much up against the cap last year and were able to make significant cap room to retain some of their big free agents. I think there will still be some loses (personally I think King and Williams are as good as gone) but I think they'll be able to manage getting at least Jones and Bahk back if they want.

KC kicked the can down the street. It saved them for this season but they’ll already have issues this coming offseason and more and more in a few when Mahomes’ deal starts ballooning.

Whether people like it or not, that’s just not how Green Bay conducts business. It’s the biggest reason they never bottom out for a few years. Similar to New England, though they also got a lot of sweetheart deals from Brady over the years that aided them immensely. On top of that, they were always near perfect as far as knowing when to jettison high priced and/or pro bowl talent.

[M-C-G]

Aren't there more moves the Packers and Russ Ball can do to maneuver around the cap? Such as deferred payments etc? I thought KC was pretty much up against the cap last year and were able to make significant cap room to retain some of their big free agents. I think there will still be some loses (personally I think King and Williams are as good as gone) but I think they'll be able to manage getting at least Jones and Bahk back if they want.

KC kicked the can down the street. It saved them for this season but they’ll already have issues this coming offseason and more and more in a few when Mahomes’ deal starts ballooning.

Whether people like it or not, that’s just not how Green Bay conducts business. It’s the biggest reason they never bottom out for a few years. Similar to New England, though they also got a lot of sweetheart deals from Brady over the years that aided them immensely. On top of that, they were always near perfect as far as knowing when to jettison high priced and/or pro bowl talent.

I think there is a reality that Gute and MLF have a pretty good idea of how long Rodgers will be here. And IF you are kicking the can down the road, doing it to the year you clear Rodgers salary is a pretty good idea.

Not sure when that will be, but I wouldn't be shocked if it is after this season or the next. I won't be surprised if he plays out his contract either though.

[M-C-G]

I would be awfully tempted to trade for DJ Moore from Carolina. I know Samuel was the guy that seemed available, but DJ is seemingly third chair there right now.

He is under contract next year and has a team option the following year. Only 23 and EXACTLY the type of player I'd like to add to this group.

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Damn didn't even know he was injured.