Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Adams Traded to Raiders for 2022 1st and 2nd Rd Picks

[LittleRooster]

I might actually prefer a 2nd to getting Jeudy.

I agree, though I’m not sold on Jeudy being a #1 guy. Think he’s more of a 2


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[Ron Swanson]

Would easily want Fant over Jeudy. Elite middle-of-the-field TE's are a young QB's best friend.

[Dennis Reynolds]

Are we giving credit to the head coach for "drawing up" plays that result in blocked punts? There's your answer. I don't think that Shanahan is a "bad" coach per say either, but this is some weird confirmation bias if anyone wants to say that he's somehow a better tactician than MLF based on the outcome of a game where his offense was beyond inept, which is supposed to be his calling card. He's had two winning seasons and 3 playoff wins in 5 years as San Fran's HC. Perspective.

Did you miss my point or did you just choose to ignore it? Seems to me like you didn't mention that all the drives after picking off Brady started deep in our territory and I think Rodgers got sacked on most of them on 3rd downs while nobody got open on those plays. At the same time, you made an argument that MLF is a better coach than Shanahan even though Shanahan achieved more and just beat us at home. Funny how that works. In case you haven't noticed, you simply chose to completely ignore the context when it didn't suit you and applied it when it did so I'm just pointing out your double standards here.

When it comes to Shanahan, he has Jimmy G who can only throw checkdowns and short passes through the middle of the field and it seems like Shanahan always schemes smth up to get guys open there for easy completions. Very few defensive coordinators have figured out how to take that away but that's usually when the 49ers get into trouble and then you see how much of a bum Jimmy G really is and how much Shanahan accomplished with such a bang average at best QB. For what it's worth, the 49ers are actually 2nd in the league in y/a and a full yard ahead of us ffs. Shanahan also drew up a huge run play to ice the game against Dallas and when they needed an inch to close it out Jimmy G phucked up the QB sneak which was about to win them the game. 49ers also ran it on 3rd and 7 to ice the game vs us and would have put up at least 3 more points if not for Jimmy's int when they were deep in our territory.

Compare it to MLF for example who for some reason is in love with his run game which has gotten us nowhere, especially when it mattered most and is ranked 18th in yards per attempt. I still remember that Dillon run against Arizona on 4th and 1 that went terribly wrong but Dillon being the beast that he is somehow made it work. Fast forward to what should have been a game clinching drive 1 yard out of the Cardinals' endzone, MLF decides to run through the middle with Jones for no gain 2 times in a row after passing in 3 times in a row on a previous goal to go possession with all of our receivers out. Also feels like MLF has become a master of 1 yard runs when we have 3 plays to get a 1st down and ice the game. Didn't our last drive vs the 49ers actually start with a -1 yard run as well?

I'm just sick and tired of his gutless play calling in most games, lack of shots taken down the field throughout the season, 2-3 plays we've seen all season you could actually call creative, his inability to adjust when our offense looks hopeless for large chunks of the game, total lack of trick plays when nothing is working and mostly, I'm sick of our redzone offense where we make everything look so difficult while other teams get their guys wide open time after time.

[M-C-G]

A shanny and MLF comparison is weird, because I think they are fairly even in terms of tier of coach. I'd say Shanny has had longer to get the type of players he has wanted than MLF and Shanny has more experience, but not sure there is a big difference in terms of coaching talent among them. Probably consider both guys top 10 coaches if I had to grade them.

[PintSizedBox10]

Fant, Jeudy, and a draft pick - Robinson from Kentucky or Calvin Austin from Memphis.

[M-C-G]

I'm sick of our redzone offense where we make everything look so difficult while other teams get their guys wide open time after time.

I'm going to just respond to this piece for now. In 2020 our redzone play was ELITE (and I hate that word). 80% TD (#1 in the league)

BUT, you had David Bakhtiari, Elgton Jenkins, Corey Linsley, Patrick, Turner start 12 games or more. All Pro, Pro Bowl, All Pro, solid, Good.

You had Bobby Tonyan with 11 TD, many (maybe all?) in the redzone.

Those are a lot of missing pieces when you have no Bakh, no Elgton, no Corey, Patrick out of position and no Turner. Now, if we go another season with a healthy Oline and dynamic redzone TE healthy, I'll worry about it more. But 2019 we had the 8th best redzone offense, 2020 the BEST redzone offense and 2021 we had the 19th.

[M-C-G]

I know everyone here thinks it, but yeah, Hackett to Denver basically signals the all in on them trying to land Rodgers and probably Adams. This could be a really good thing for both clubs.

[WeekapaugGroove]

What do you think the over/under is for fan bases actually liking their coach in any major sports league? Maybe 5? Is that too high?

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[Dennis Reynolds]

I'm sick of our redzone offense where we make everything look so difficult while other teams get their guys wide open time after time.

I'm going to just respond to this piece for now. In 2020 our redzone play was ELITE (and I hate that word). 80% TD (#1 in the league)

BUT, you had David Bakhtiari, Elgton Jenkins, Corey Linsley, Patrick, Turner start 12 games or more. All Pro, Pro Bowl, All Pro, solid, Good.

You had Bobby Tonyan with 11 TD, many (maybe all?) in the redzone.

Those are a lot of missing pieces when you have no Bakh, no Elgton, no Corey, Patrick out of position and no Turner. Now, if we go another season with a healthy Oline and dynamic redzone TE healthy, I'll worry about it more. But 2019 we had the 8th best redzone offense, 2020 the BEST redzone offense and 2021 we had the 19th.

You're kinda proving my point from our earlier discussion which was that team improvement should mostly be attributed to getting more talent and not MLF being some genius. I know the redzone offense was great last season and obviously an outlier so there was always gonna be a drop off but if MLF deserves praise for last season, he deserves blame for this season too.

Just an example, that showel pass near the endzone that Chiefs have been using for the last 4-5 weeks, we actually used that play early in the season against the Bears and it ended up with a TD. Saw it a week before in some other game just like MLF obviously did, he decided to use it once, it worked and he never used it again even though we kept struggling in the redzone. Chiefs on the other hand kept using that same play the past few weeks in a row and it worked out every time until the Bills game when the WR or Mahomes phucked up or otherwise they were gonna score another TD.

To me last 2 seasons kinda went like expected in the playoffs even though we could have/should have done more last season but I've accepted that Brady's luck knows no bounds. This season though has been a huge disappointment, not only due to the terrible playoff loss but also cause of so many games we should have won comfortably but they ended up with us barely squeaking by which turned out to be a foreshadowing of what has about to happen.

[Daver]

Fant, Jeudy, and a draft pick - Robinson from Kentucky or Calvin Austin from Memphis.

Fant and jeudy n 2 1sts n 1 2nd

[M-C-G]

I'm sick of our redzone offense where we make everything look so difficult while other teams get their guys wide open time after time.

I'm going to just respond to this piece for now. In 2020 our redzone play was ELITE (and I hate that word). 80% TD (#1 in the league)

BUT, you had David Bakhtiari, Elgton Jenkins, Corey Linsley, Patrick, Turner start 12 games or more. All Pro, Pro Bowl, All Pro, solid, Good.

You had Bobby Tonyan with 11 TD, many (maybe all?) in the redzone.

Those are a lot of missing pieces when you have no Bakh, no Elgton, no Corey, Patrick out of position and no Turner. Now, if we go another season with a healthy Oline and dynamic redzone TE healthy, I'll worry about it more. But 2019 we had the 8th best redzone offense, 2020 the BEST redzone offense and 2021 we had the 19th.

You're kinda proving my point from our earlier discussion which was that team improvement should mostly be attributed to getting more talent and not MLF being some genius. I know the redzone offense was great last season and obviously an outlier so there was always gonna be a drop off but if MLF deserves praise for last season, he deserves blame for this season too.

Just an example, that showel pass near the endzone that Chiefs have been using for the last 4-5 weeks, we actually used that play early in the season against the Bears and it ended up with a TD. Saw it a week before in some other game just like MLF obviously did, he decided to use it once, it worked and he never used it again even though we kept struggling in the redzone. Chiefs on the other hand kept using that same play the past few weeks in a row and it worked out every time until the Bills game when the WR or Mahomes phucked up or otherwise they were gonna score another TD.

To me last 2 seasons kinda went like expected in the playoffs even though we could have/should have done more last season but I've accepted that Brady's luck knows no bounds. This season though has been a huge disappointment, not only due to the terrible playoff loss but also cause of so many games we should have won comfortably but they ended up with us barely squeaking by which turned out to be a foreshadowing of what has about to happen.

Yeah ok, so everyone is a back up and their should be no drop offs, anywhere, otherwise coaching isn’t good enough. I think you have unrealistic expectations of how much playing OL without most your starters really does impact you.


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[TroyD92]

Time to move on. See you Arod. Would like to keep Tae, but not likely and probably not worth. I do wonder how the Packers with a grinding style would do.

[Dennis Reynolds]

I'm going to just respond to this piece for now. In 2020 our redzone play was ELITE (and I hate that word). 80% TD (#1 in the league)

BUT, you had David Bakhtiari, Elgton Jenkins, Corey Linsley, Patrick, Turner start 12 games or more. All Pro, Pro Bowl, All Pro, solid, Good.

You had Bobby Tonyan with 11 TD, many (maybe all?) in the redzone.

Those are a lot of missing pieces when you have no Bakh, no Elgton, no Corey, Patrick out of position and no Turner. Now, if we go another season with a healthy Oline and dynamic redzone TE healthy, I'll worry about it more. But 2019 we had the 8th best redzone offense, 2020 the BEST redzone offense and 2021 we had the 19th.

You're kinda proving my point from our earlier discussion which was that team improvement should mostly be attributed to getting more talent and not MLF being some genius. I know the redzone offense was great last season and obviously an outlier so there was always gonna be a drop off but if MLF deserves praise for last season, he deserves blame for this season too.

Just an example, that showel pass near the endzone that Chiefs have been using for the last 4-5 weeks, we actually used that play early in the season against the Bears and it ended up with a TD. Saw it a week before in some other game just like MLF obviously did, he decided to use it once, it worked and he never used it again even though we kept struggling in the redzone. Chiefs on the other hand kept using that same play the past few weeks in a row and it worked out every time until the Bills game when the WR or Mahomes phucked up or otherwise they were gonna score another TD.

To me last 2 seasons kinda went like expected in the playoffs even though we could have/should have done more last season but I've accepted that Brady's luck knows no bounds. This season though has been a huge disappointment, not only due to the terrible playoff loss but also cause of so many games we should have won comfortably but they ended up with us barely squeaking by which turned out to be a foreshadowing of what has about to happen.

Yeah ok, so everyone is a back up and their should be no drop offs, anywhere, otherwise coaching isn’t good enough. I think you have unrealistic expectations of how much playing OL without most your starters really does impact you.


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Of course there was gonna be a drop off, but a reasonable drop off to me would mean having at least a borderline top 10 redzone offense and not a bottom 10 one.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

We have leverage in that we don't have to trade him. He'd have to play for us or retire. And he'd still be under contract and couldn't come back in a year and go elsewhere.

Obviously we won't do that, we want a return on him and would get nothing if he retires.

I seriously doubt he retires. He picked a bad time to be taking a big chunk of his salary in bitcoin.

https://www.sporttechie.com/aaron-rodgers-relaxes-with-bitcoin-will-convert-large-portion-of-salary-to-the-cryptocurrency

My money is a 'large' portion of his salary is the amount paid by cash app. Highly doubt her has 8 figures in but coin.

[WRau1]

I don't see Rodgers or the Broncos wanting to include Fant in any deal.

[Touchpass]

I’d be fine with Albert O if they need to keep Fant.

[RRyder823]

Yeah they probably aren't looking at trading offensive pieces in a Rodgers trade. However Surtain and Chubb are definitely options

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[Daver]

Yeah they probably aren't looking at trading offensive pieces in a Rodgers trade. However Surtain and Chubb are definitely options

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Those 2 guys i would love especially surtain wow packers would have the best lockdown DBs in the NFC however i will almost guarentee you that any trade for rodgers will include 1 first probably 2 at least 1 2nd and one of fant or juedy n 1 of either chubb or surtain or edmunds

[DrWood]

Guys. We aren't tagging Adams. Let the tag and trade dream go

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Can you tag and trade?

[DrWood]

MLF needs to stop getting babied cause he has proven basically nothing.

he literally has more wins over his first three seasons than every coach in the history of the league.