Packers First Round - Jordan Love - POLL ADDED

[MickeyDavis]

Interesting to note that the Packers were 10-6 when they drafted Rodgers. Favre had a good year in 2004. Everyone thought this would really light a fire under Favre. Instead he had a bad year in 2006. 20/29 TD/INT. His completion percent of 56.0 was the lowest of his career, before or after 2005. The team went 4-12. They did lose Javon Walker for the season in week 1 and Ahman Green for the season in week 7 (Samkon Gado took over).

[Dandridgefav]

How bout this as a followup trade?

Green Bay trade with Buffalo Bills?
Rodgers for DL Ed Oliver, RT Cody Jones, 2021 2nd, QB Matt Barkley

Gute & LaFlu go up to Aaron and say we know this sucks but we just have too many holes to fill to ge it done this year. Next year more guys need to be replaced. YYou know as well as I we only got the record w did last year becaus we lucked out. The media called it an ugly win - most every week. Aaron y ou saw our D get completely trashed. And I know your praying for Wagner & Turner. Your gonna feel he heat this year and we don't want that to happen to you here.

[Jollay]

Well, this morning I woke up thinking of Jason Spriggs, who we also punted a fourth rounder to trade up and get.

Read Gute's glowing reviews on him when we did that and prepare to be terrified.

In fairness, I kind of liked Spriggs initially and like Love's potential. But man, Gary better do something this year or we've essentially ceded the next few years re super bowl.

Will feel better if a good wr falls to us at 2 but terrified to meet our new 3rd or 5th round Blake Martinez.

[MickeyDavis]

McGinn what scouts said before the draft.

AFC scout: “He’s physically gifted but he’s not accurate. He is a good athlete. He played decently last year but then the coach (Matt Wells) went to Texas Tech. He can run and has a decent arm. I don’t like him. Fourth or fifth round. Look at the Jordan Love that played against Michigan State (in 2018) and Wake Forest this year, not the Jordan Love that plays against New Mexico and Colorado State. The guy that he’s closest to is Jameis Winston. I’d grade Winston higher because he played at Florida State and won a national championship. When Jordan Love came out of high school he had one scholarship offer. Now people tell me, ‘Last year under Matt Wells he had a great season.’ I said the new coach, Gary Andersen, is a better coach than Wells. … I don’t like his mechanics. I don’t like his decision-making. He has a strong arm. He’s not a big-time athlete. Lamar Jackson’s mechanics and decision-making weren’t that great but Lamar Jackson could run and break them down. This guy is not a runner. … He can’t do the stuff (Patrick) Mahomes does. Mahomes was not as fast but Mahomes was a much better pure athlete. Neither one is a runner.”

AFC scout: “If he doesn’t go first round it’s because of character. He has the skill set to go first round. … It’s more stupid, immaturity ****. He’s not a brain surgeon when it comes to football. He’s not super dumb. But he’s not Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or anything approaching that level.”

NFC scout: “First round for sure. I have him No. 2 behind Tua (Tagovailoa). Super talented, moxie, excellent feel. He throws the ball from all the angles: on the move, under pressure. Has vision. Had a lot of picks: ‘I’m just going to throw this ball in there.’ He’s under siege just about every time he drops back because his offensive line is not good. He’s got nowhere close to NFL receivers; they can’t get open and drop balls. He has to elevate his game on every play and elevate the whole team on every play. One of the best plays you’ll see was in the LSU game when he escapes the pocket and he’s out on the move and throws the ball across his body and it hits (the receiver) in the chest and he drops the ball. That’s just kind of him in a nutshell. I’d prefer it if he goes somewhere where he doesn’t have to play next year.”

AFC scout: “Talented. A lot of upside. He has starter talent. With the coaching change and the lack of talent he had around him, it hurt him. If he can sit behind an established veteran for a couple of years and learns how to be a pro. … “

NFC scout: “He has the most physical upside of any of these guys. The great ones make it look easy. He makes it look easy. He’s an effortless thrower. He played with nobody around him. This year he was just out there winging it trying to make plays to win games. Did he develop some bad habits? Yeah, of course, he did. But you can rein that in. It’s (easier) to get guys that like to play it safe and check down and be chain-movers. It’s hard to get those guys that push the ball down the field. He’s the only quarterback I ever scouted who will throw into bigger windows as a pro than he did in college. Those guys did not get open for him. If he ends up outside the top 10 we could be saying, ‘How the heck did Jordan Love last that long?’ He’s just got that play-making ability. … He played with nobody around him. Lost an NFL tight end (Dax Raymond), lost an NFL running back (Darwin Thompson). People knock his decision-making. He was 32-6 (touchdown to interception ratio) in 2018 and 21-17 this year. That’s not decision-making. That’s a guy trying to make plays to win games. … He’s really cool. He’s got a nice calm about him. If anyone says he didn’t play well against LSU, lose credibility for that person. He played well against LSU, and his guys let him down. He put the ball on the money and guys were dropping balls on him. The talent discrepancy on that field that day was enormous.”

NFC scout: “The body language was awful and the accuracy was worse. He didn’t look like he knew what he was doing or that he wanted to play. There were numerous times he’s looking right at an open wideout or a tight end coming right in the middle and the two linebackers are on the hashes and there’s a receiver standing in the middle of the field and he doesn’t throw it to him. Or he throws it to him late. I don’t think he’s correctable. … I don’t see the production. I don’t see the attitude. Boy, he is a good-looking kid. He does have a strong arm. But he’s not decisive. He got pulled out of at least two games. He’s got first-round talent if you overlook the accuracy. I don’t think he’s accurate and I think his vision is really limited. I don’t see Patrick Mahomes in him. He’s mobile, but he’s not that mobile.”

NFC scout: “He’s talented. He is. He’s a little erratic with the accuracy but he can do things with the ball. He can run. He’s got a strong arm. It’s just the field vision, the decision-making. Granted, a different coordinator this year and he was throwing to receivers that were 5-8. … He’s a risk-reward guy. You question the makeup. He got arrested for weed. You don’t want the face of your franchise getting arrested for weed. … It’s going to take some time because the offense he played in is pretty simple. But a terrific athlete, quick release, plenty of arm, big hands, great touch, accurate on the move. But poor decisions, question his focus, his vision, his accuracy against pressure. He’s soft-spoken and confident. Not great on the board. You know, good luck.”

AFC scout: “He’s got physical upside. He’s inconsistent game to game. You wish he made more good decisions at times. His accuracy is OK, not elite.”

AFC scout: “I’m not a fan. Everybody else seems to be. Does he make smart decisions? I don’t think so. Average arm strength. Slow decision-maker. I don’t know if he reads coverages. Wide receivers have to work to make tough adjustment catches. Elusive, not fast. Everybody keeps telling me 2018 was different. Why did he regress? There’s a lot of excuses. Somebody’s going to take a shot here. I don’t know if it’s worth it. Some people have tried to compare him to Mahomes but I don’t see it.”

AFC scout: “Don’t like him. Excellent athlete. Arm talent. Has never been coached and no supporting cast, but I worry about the intangibles. Ain’t my kind of guy.”

[mkegb]

Basically everything is playing out the same way it did with Favre...people wanted more weapons for Favre and the majority of the WRs in that range were busts. They got Jennings the next year and played in the NFC title game, should've played in the Super Bowl 2 years later.

I have no idea, I'm 99.9% sure this won't turn out as well as Rodgers and obviously it's even a stretch to think Love will turn out somewhat well...but I like the raw talent. I'll take this.

We lost by 1000 to the 49ers and weren't really as good of a team as our record last year, thousands of fans berated Rodgers' fading play last year...but now we were just a WR or (tiny) ILB away.

This isn't staunch support of the move and I'm shocked they did it but I'll also listen. Put me on the Love bandwagon.

SF got an impact defensive player and we passed on one. They also added a very good WR. And what do we do, draft a QB that might start in 3 years?!

He has to be a stud quarterback in order to draft him now. Better be top 5.

[Finn]

I don't think a raw QB prospect like Love should be a 1st round pick let alone one you trade up for, can't read coverages and very poor decision making but hey he can throw it deep on the run OOF! Maybe during these 3 years he'll learn to play QB, sitting on the bench will make him better I'm sure.

Have you looked at his 2018 season or are your complaints based only on 2019?

[tski1972]

Watch on YouTube

This video shows me absolutely nothing. One step, one read, throw the ball.

[Mags FTW]

Unfortunately, Love can't report to camp under the Safer at Home order because he's currently a "non-essential employee".

[Kerb Hohl]

Basically everything is playing out the same way it did with Favre...people wanted more weapons for Favre and the majority of the WRs in that range were busts. They got Jennings the next year and played in the NFC title game, should've played in the Super Bowl 2 years later.

I have no idea, I'm 99.9% sure this won't turn out as well as Rodgers and obviously it's even a stretch to think Love will turn out somewhat well...but I like the raw talent. I'll take this.

We lost by 1000 to the 49ers and weren't really as good of a team as our record last year, thousands of fans berated Rodgers' fading play last year...but now we were just a WR or (tiny) ILB away.

This isn't staunch support of the move and I'm shocked they did it but I'll also listen. Put me on the Love bandwagon.

SF got an impact defensive player and we passed on one. They also added a very good WR. And what do we do, draft a QB that might start in 3 years?!

He has to be a stud quarterback in order to draft him now. Better be top 5.

Things change so fast.

I'm a huge Kyle Shanahan fan so I do think they will remain legit for a while, but remember the Bears Steel Curtain defense of 2018? These things tend to have short windows a lot of the time. So much changes from year-to-year.

There will probably be another elite NFC team that steps into their place but honestly, and this will sound nihilist, even if we knocked this pick out of the park on a defensive player or WR...we probably still were going to get stopped somewhere in the NFC playoffs. That doesn't mean rebuild that's just what I'm telling myself.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

It's kind of funny how he is anti-Rodgers. He is the Favre replacing Rodgers.****

****All opinions based on less than 5 minutes of video and quotes above.

[mkegb]

I don't think a raw QB prospect like Love should be a 1st round pick let alone one you trade up for, can't read coverages and very poor decision making but hey he can throw it deep on the run OOF! Maybe during these 3 years he'll learn to play QB, sitting on the bench will make him better I'm sure.

Have you looked at his 2018 season or are your complaints based only on 2019?

Why do people keep saying look at 2018?! Why would he regress?! That should be a major concern.

[MAC1987]

Idk how scouts can be this far apart on a player lol.

McGinn what scouts said before the draft.

AFC scout: “He’s physically gifted but he’s not accurate. He is a good athlete. He played decently last year but then the coach (Matt Wells) went to Texas Tech. He can run and has a decent arm. I don’t like him. Fourth or fifth round. Look at the Jordan Love that played against Michigan State (in 2018) and Wake Forest this year, not the Jordan Love that plays against New Mexico and Colorado State. The guy that he’s closest to is Jameis Winston. I’d grade Winston higher because he played at Florida State and won a national championship. When Jordan Love came out of high school he had one scholarship offer. Now people tell me, ‘Last year under Matt Wells he had a great season.’ I said the new coach, Gary Andersen, is a better coach than Wells. … I don’t like his mechanics. I don’t like his decision-making. He has a strong arm. He’s not a big-time athlete. Lamar Jackson’s mechanics and decision-making weren’t that great but Lamar Jackson could run and break them down. This guy is not a runner. … He can’t do the stuff (Patrick) Mahomes does. Mahomes was not as fast but Mahomes was a much better pure athlete. Neither one is a runner.”

AFC scout: “If he doesn’t go first round it’s because of character. He has the skill set to go first round. … It’s more stupid, immaturity ****. He’s not a brain surgeon when it comes to football. He’s not super dumb. But he’s not Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or anything approaching that level.”

NFC scout: “First round for sure. I have him No. 2 behind Tua (Tagovailoa). Super talented, moxie, excellent feel. He throws the ball from all the angles: on the move, under pressure. Has vision. Had a lot of picks: ‘I’m just going to throw this ball in there.’ He’s under siege just about every time he drops back because his offensive line is not good. He’s got nowhere close to NFL receivers; they can’t get open and drop balls. He has to elevate his game on every play and elevate the whole team on every play. One of the best plays you’ll see was in the LSU game when he escapes the pocket and he’s out on the move and throws the ball across his body and it hits (the receiver) in the chest and he drops the ball. That’s just kind of him in a nutshell. I’d prefer it if he goes somewhere where he doesn’t have to play next year.”

AFC scout: “Talented. A lot of upside. He has starter talent. With the coaching change and the lack of talent he had around him, it hurt him. If he can sit behind an established veteran for a couple of years and learns how to be a pro. … “

NFC scout: “He has the most physical upside of any of these guys. The great ones make it look easy. He makes it look easy. He’s an effortless thrower. He played with nobody around him. This year he was just out there winging it trying to make plays to win games. Did he develop some bad habits? Yeah, of course, he did. But you can rein that in. It’s (easier) to get guys that like to play it safe and check down and be chain-movers. It’s hard to get those guys that push the ball down the field. He’s the only quarterback I ever scouted who will throw into bigger windows as a pro than he did in college. Those guys did not get open for him. If he ends up outside the top 10 we could be saying, ‘How the heck did Jordan Love last that long?’ He’s just got that play-making ability. … He played with nobody around him. Lost an NFL tight end (Dax Raymond), lost an NFL running back (Darwin Thompson). People knock his decision-making. He was 32-6 (touchdown to interception ratio) in 2018 and 21-17 this year. That’s not decision-making. That’s a guy trying to make plays to win games. … He’s really cool. He’s got a nice calm about him. If anyone says he didn’t play well against LSU, lose credibility for that person. He played well against LSU, and his guys let him down. He put the ball on the money and guys were dropping balls on him. The talent discrepancy on that field that day was enormous.”

NFC scout: “The body language was awful and the accuracy was worse. He didn’t look like he knew what he was doing or that he wanted to play. There were numerous times he’s looking right at an open wideout or a tight end coming right in the middle and the two linebackers are on the hashes and there’s a receiver standing in the middle of the field and he doesn’t throw it to him. Or he throws it to him late. I don’t think he’s correctable. … I don’t see the production. I don’t see the attitude. Boy, he is a good-looking kid. He does have a strong arm. But he’s not decisive. He got pulled out of at least two games. He’s got first-round talent if you overlook the accuracy. I don’t think he’s accurate and I think his vision is really limited. I don’t see Patrick Mahomes in him. He’s mobile, but he’s not that mobile.”

NFC scout: “He’s talented. He is. He’s a little erratic with the accuracy but he can do things with the ball. He can run. He’s got a strong arm. It’s just the field vision, the decision-making. Granted, a different coordinator this year and he was throwing to receivers that were 5-8. … He’s a risk-reward guy. You question the makeup. He got arrested for weed. You don’t want the face of your franchise getting arrested for weed. … It’s going to take some time because the offense he played in is pretty simple. But a terrific athlete, quick release, plenty of arm, big hands, great touch, accurate on the move. But poor decisions, question his focus, his vision, his accuracy against pressure. He’s soft-spoken and confident. Not great on the board. You know, good luck.”

AFC scout: “He’s got physical upside. He’s inconsistent game to game. You wish he made more good decisions at times. His accuracy is OK, not elite.”

AFC scout: “I’m not a fan. Everybody else seems to be. Does he make smart decisions? I don’t think so. Average arm strength. Slow decision-maker. I don’t know if he reads coverages. Wide receivers have to work to make tough adjustment catches. Elusive, not fast. Everybody keeps telling me 2018 was different. Why did he regress? There’s a lot of excuses. Somebody’s going to take a shot here. I don’t know if it’s worth it. Some people have tried to compare him to Mahomes but I don’t see it.”

AFC scout: “Don’t like him. Excellent athlete. Arm talent. Has never been coached and no supporting cast, but I worry about the intangibles. Ain’t my kind of guy.”

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[Kerb Hohl]

McGinn what scouts said before the draft.

He got arrested for weed. You don’t want the face of your franchise getting arrested for weed.

Agree. Cut him now.

[MAC1987]

Idk much but if you read about the 2019 team he had no one around him. Lost his coach , RB, TE, oline was bad etc.

I don't think a raw QB prospect like Love should be a 1st round pick let alone one you trade up for, can't read coverages and very poor decision making but hey he can throw it deep on the run OOF! Maybe during these 3 years he'll learn to play QB, sitting on the bench will make him better I'm sure.

Have you looked at his 2018 season or are your complaints based only on 2019?

Why do people keep saying look at 2018?! Why would he regress?! That should be a major concern.

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[Kerb Hohl]

I don't think a raw QB prospect like Love should be a 1st round pick let alone one you trade up for, can't read coverages and very poor decision making but hey he can throw it deep on the run OOF! Maybe during these 3 years he'll learn to play QB, sitting on the bench will make him better I'm sure.

Have you looked at his 2018 season or are your complaints based only on 2019?

Why do people keep saying look at 2018?! Why would he regress?! That should be a major concern.

[MAC1987]

Haha good point

Have you looked at his 2018 season or are your complaints based only on 2019?

Why do people keep saying look at 2018?! Why would he regress?! That should be a major concern.

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[midranger]

I don't think a raw QB prospect like Love should be a 1st round pick let alone one you trade up for, can't read coverages and very poor decision making but hey he can throw it deep on the run OOF! Maybe during these 3 years he'll learn to play QB, sitting on the bench will make him better I'm sure.

Have you looked at his 2018 season or are your complaints based only on 2019?

Why do people keep saying look at 2018?! Why would he regress?! That should be a major concern.

4 words: Jerry Andersen Tanner McEvoy


EDIT: Damn, beat to the punch

[mkegb]

It's kind of funny how he is anti-Rodgers. He is the Favre replacing Rodgers.****

****All opinions based on less than 5 minutes of video and quotes above.

I thought the exact same thing. If he ends up be Favre (minus about 100 INTs) then I am fine with it. But I don’t see the same fire Favre had.

This could trump the Mandarich pick over Sanders as the dumbest pick ever in franchise history.

Queen will be a stud. Love won’t even be playing QB in 2025.

[Kerb Hohl]

Queen will be a stud. Love won’t even be playing QB in 2025.

Over the years my draft prep has gone way down and I generally have one or two hot takes but am not fully studied on a lot of the players.

I do watch a lot of college football, however.

I watched Queen's highlights after he was picked and was reminded that he is tiny as hell. Sure, that's great for trying to cover RBs and slot WRs if he gets matched up there, but he could be a major injury risk or just get the **** kicked out of him in the run game as well.

But the Ravens do generally get this stuff right so what do I know. He might a stud.

[awd4cy]

I have a feeling a lot of people will warm up to this pick after they slept it off.

Got 7.5 hours of sleep last night. Haven’t warmed up to this yet.