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[LUKE23]

I'd say it's right with Nebraska and clearly ahead of Penn State. Certainly no worse than 4th.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

I'd say it's probably...

First Tier: tO$U, Michigan

Second Tier: Nebraska, Wisconsin, Penn State

Third Tier: Michigan State, Iowa

Last Tier: Everyone else

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

Only because Grendon joked about it yesterday:

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Today on @KFAN1003 former #Gophers @JustinConzemius said he feared that #Badgers will hire Jerry Kill. Recap => http://ow.ly/fQQJC

Absolutely zero chance of it happening, too many reasons to list.

[Kerb Hohl]

There were a lot of good points from many of the articles.
-Problem with low assistant coach salaries.
-Barry's shadow.
-Take on a challenge.
-It may be best to leave at your ceiling before you go the way of Ferentz.
-SEC
-He's young.
-There is a pay increase.

I hope the Badger program gets on without him but not a bad move. Maybe BB was a potential lifer at UW and they win 3 Rose Bowls and lose a National Championship and/or win a few playoff games over his next 20 years. Or maybe the team slowly fizzles out and his luster is completely gone by 2018.

There was also a rumor that he wants to get back to Iowa, and waiting out the next 2-3 years at Arkansas may be the way to do it.

Now instead of being in Barry's shadow he can be in LSU and Alabama's shadow.

Yeah, because nothing in college football ever changes. Funny you didn't mention Auburn's shadow, who just won an effing National Championship and just went 0-8 in conference play.

Of course Arkansas is in their historic shadow, but I guess that's why coaches take on challenges.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

There were a lot of good points from many of the articles.
-Problem with low assistant coach salaries.
-Barry's shadow.
-Take on a challenge.
-It may be best to leave at your ceiling before you go the way of Ferentz.
-SEC
-He's young.
-There is a pay increase.

I hope the Badger program gets on without him but not a bad move. Maybe BB was a potential lifer at UW and they win 3 Rose Bowls and lose a National Championship and/or win a few playoff games over his next 20 years. Or maybe the team slowly fizzles out and his luster is completely gone by 2018.

There was also a rumor that he wants to get back to Iowa, and waiting out the next 2-3 years at Arkansas may be the way to do it.

Now instead of being in Barry's shadow he can be in LSU and Alabama's shadow.

Yeah, because nothing in college football ever changes. Funny you didn't mention Auburn's shadow, who just won an effing National Championship and just went 0-8 in conference play.

Of course Arkansas is in their historic shadow, but I guess that's why coaches take on challenges.

And it's not like Arkansas has never been good, they were a top 5 team coming into the season until their coach decided to do wheelies on a motorcycle with a married woman riding along.

[trwi7]

Yes, I'm sure Bret will be able to outrecruit and outcoach Les Miles and Nick Saban. Les Miles maybe because he has no idea how to manage the clock but I doubt he outrecruits either and he's not outcoaching Saban.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

You never know, Saban could make another go of it in the NFL or take another college job. He is one of those guys that tends to listen if the $$$ is big enough.

[Kerb Hohl]

I'm not saying I expect this, but I don't know how else you'd do it. Ideally, I guess, Florida collapses and invites Bielema (or something like that) otherwise, you have to blaze your own trail if you're the ladder-climbing type.

Petrino, though his douchebaggery was already well known, was about to carve his name out as a premier coach considering he had been right up there with Saban/Miles in just the last few years. I'm not saying BB is that, because it may very well be true that the guy was a boob that survived on what Alvarez built, but if he's really that type of guy, I guess you need to take a swing at it. Maybe with the assistant coaching pay issue he decided that he would take a swing at playing with (and beating) the big guys. Maybe they go a combined 10-22 over the next 4 years in the SEC and he's canned. Maybe he is the next name brought up when one of the titans retires or falls from grace at Florida or Texas or wherever. Point is, if this is an expected career jump, you have to take a chance and challenge yourself.

[Kerb Hohl]

Let's not forget they have had 5 losses and a weak offense after Chryst and a number of other offensive assistants left. I have maintained that Chryst was the most important coach and the reason they won.

A few points.

1. Alvarez had a TON of "mediocre" 7-5 years where they looked even **** than this year's team.

2. If you want to keep taking the credit away from BB and giving it to other guys(and again, nobody knows yet, maybe it's true that BB is riding the coattails of Alvarez and had Chryst making things go), while still reserving the right to place all blame on him, then I'll submit these 2 other "reasons" that they were in the Rose Bowl with 2 standout seasons in 2010 and 2011:





We don't have a high-octane NFL guy on this roster to really make it go this year. I would submit to you that if the Badgers had a serious playmaking QB or maybe even a Tolzien, they are probably 10-2 going into the B10 Championship game. I don't think the Badgers are a program that can have that type of impact on their team every single season. The state's recruiting ground probably just won't produce it that often.

Not an excuse for BB's momentum, but I really doubt I'll ever see the day where we are perennially crushing the Big 10 better than we have been. This down year for BB was like about 10 of Alvarez's seasons, and while I still won't put BB on the Alvarez pedestal, just take a step back and think about that. Alvarez deserves a ton of credit for building the program, but he had a ton of down years like this, and yet, most would be crying if he left after a "lackluster" 8-5 year.

You're right, maybe it was all the program's momentum and the coordinators. Who knows.

[RiotPunch]

DailyCamera.com

08:17 AM ET 12.05 | University of Colorado officials were left in limbo Tuesday as Cincinnati football coach Butch Jones apparently needed more time to respond to an offer. But there is a possible wild card. Arkansas announced Tuesday it had hired Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema to take over its program, suddenly pushing Wisconsin into the market for a new coach. The Wisconsin job is seen as one of the best in Big Ten Conference and in the Midwest where Jones has spent almost all his life. It's unclear if Wisconsin might now also have interest in Jones, who has talked with at least six different schools about job openings the past two years. Jones also took part in a press conference at Cincinnati on Tuesday to discuss the Bearcats' appearance in the Belk Bowl.

Just speculation, but I would absolutely love a Butch Jones hire as well. My short, short list at the moment:

1. Paul Chryst
2. Butch Jones
3. Mel Tucker
4. Bob Diaco

SVP and Russillo have been raving about their love for the Bielema hire. Hope we nail the replacement hire.

[trwi7]

I'm not saying I expect this, but I don't know how else you'd do it. Ideally, I guess, Florida collapses and invites Bielema (or something like that) otherwise, you have to blaze your own trail if you're the ladder-climbing type.

This example will never happen because it's in his contract that he can't leave Arkansas for another SEC school.

[Kerb Hohl]

I'm not saying I expect this, but I don't know how else you'd do it. Ideally, I guess, Florida collapses and invites Bielema (or something like that) otherwise, you have to blaze your own trail if you're the ladder-climbing type.

This example will never happen because it's in his contract that he can't leave Arkansas for another SEC school.

Maybe the next one he signs won't?

OK, then Texas. Whatever it is then. You get what I'm saying here.

[Bernman]

I'd say it's probably...

First Tier: tO$U, Michigan

Second Tier: Nebraska, Wisconsin, Penn State

Third Tier: Michigan State, Iowa

Last Tier: Everyone else

In no way is Penn State on the same tier as Wisconsin. Since they joined the conference, they have one Big Ten Title to Wisconsin's Six. Their poll average is 17th in comparison to Wisconsin's 12th. PSU sold their soul to maintain that level of success. And they received the death penalty so they are on their way to the bottom of the conference. Wisconsin and Nebraska are in the 2nd tier alone.

[LUKE23]

Exactly. No way PSU is as good of a job as Wisco.

[xTitan]

PSU still has a much more fertile home recruiting base, add the team history and i can understand why people believe it is a better opportunity. In the short term (next three years) you will have to subtract loss of schollies, but I believe Penn State, with the right coach, is set up more for success than UW is.

[xTitan]

Let's not forget they have had 5 losses and a weak offense after Chryst and a number of other offensive assistants left. I have maintained that Chryst was the most important coach and the reason they won.

A few points.

1. Alvarez had a TON of "mediocre" 7-5 years where they looked even **** than this year's team.

2. If you want to keep taking the credit away from BB and giving it to other guys(and again, nobody knows yet, maybe it's true that BB is riding the coattails of Alvarez and had Chryst making things go), while still reserving the right to place all blame on him, then I'll submit these 2 other "reasons" that they were in the Rose Bowl with 2 standout seasons in 2010 and 2011:





We don't have a high-octane NFL guy on this roster to really make it go this year. I would submit to you that if the Badgers had a serious playmaking QB or maybe even a Tolzien, they are probably 10-2 going into the B10 Championship game. I don't think the Badgers are a program that can have that type of impact on their team every single season. The state's recruiting ground probably just won't produce it that often.

Not an excuse for BB's momentum, but I really doubt I'll ever see the day where we are perennially crushing the Big 10 better than we have been. This down year for BB was like about 10 of Alvarez's seasons, and while I still won't put BB on the Alvarez pedestal, just take a step back and think about that. Alvarez deserves a ton of credit for building the program, but he had a ton of down years like this, and yet, most would be crying if he left after a "lackluster" 8-5 year.

You're right, maybe it was all the program's momentum and the coordinators. Who knows.

Chryst is the guy who developed Tolzein and his incredibly average tools, plus the reason Wilson chose UW over Auburn was because UW ran a pro style offense and Wilson wanted to prove to the scouts he could do that...again a product of Chryst's offense. Personally I believe this offense would have been significantly better this year under Chryst and he would have made O'Brien serviceable.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

You guys may be right, I'm just impressed at the season they had. I originally thought they'd become a bottom feeder almost immediately. That hasn't happened though, despite losing a few guys to transfer, they avoided a mass exodus and seemed to get better as the season went on. If O'Brien can continue to keep things together until all of the sanctions expire, I don't see them falling too much from where they've been the last 10 years or so. PA is one of the best midwest states when it comes to recruiting as well.

[LUKE23]

PSU still has a much more fertile home recruiting base, add the team history and i can understand why people believe it is a better opportunity. In the short term (next three years) you will have to subtract loss of schollies, but I believe Penn State, with the right coach, is set up more for success than UW is.

They have done nothing to prove this since entering the conference. In theory it seems plausible, but it isn't reality.

[xTitan]

PSU still has a much more fertile home recruiting base, add the team history and i can understand why people believe it is a better opportunity. In the short term (next three years) you will have to subtract loss of schollies, but I believe Penn State, with the right coach, is set up more for success than UW is.

They have done nothing to prove this since entering the conference. In theory it seems plausible, but it isn't reality.

I am taking into account a very good, new coach, one who still has all of his faculties.

[Kerb Hohl]

I mean, I think the perfect example of this year without Chryst is a comparison to 2008.

Transfer Alan Evridge blew donkey dick (O'Brien).
Sherer sucked (Stave is much more talented and fared decent).
Phillips came in (Young Tolzien came in after Sherer was deemed to suck).

Where was savior Chryst there?

How about the fact that O'Brien sucks, Stave was decent but a freshman, and Phillips was alright but was playing on mush for knees?

That is right in line with a junior/senior Stocco or junior/senior Tolzien where we had success. Not taking credit away from Chryst, I'm sure he was a great QB coach, but you also have to look at the talent. I feel like you're just casually throwing a dart at this theory that the team is lost without Chryst and it conveniently fits because we don't have any day 1 NFL picks on this team (at least juniors or seniors about to be drafted).