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Can we do a case study on this? Can somebody look at some recent coaching changes where a program had some fairly sustained success and how they did after the next hire? El Dude brought up some examples of bad cases like Florida or Michigan with Dickrod or Alabama pre-Saban. Do we have any examples where the next guy came in and improved the product? I would say LSU with Miles kept it up there and Petersen improved Boise off the top of my head. Kelly at Oregon maybe.

Also, apparently at the press conference BB hinted that the assistant coach pay was a main reason for bolting.

There aren't a lot of great examples that fit Wisconsin's situation. I'd almost say the closest is Northern Illinois. The coach before Kill got things rolling, Kill took over and took them to the top of the MAC, and now Doeren got them back to back championships and a trip to the BCS. There are other examples at big time programs like Florida State (hire within) and Ohio State (blue chip program getting a blue chip coach). Like you mentioned Oregon is another example, although they are a unique situation with all that Nike money and prestige. There have definitely been a lot more failures than successes.

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Jeff Potrykus‏@jaypo1961

Good college football source says new name to watch in #Badgers coaching search is C. Petersen of Boise State.

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When schools hire a search firm, they don't actually look for good candidates or do background research on potential candidates.

A search firm basically is a middle man during the coaching search. Wisconsin hires X search firm. X search firm asks Chris Pederson, Paul Chryst and Bob Bostad if they want to be the next coach at Wisconsin. They give them the answer and the search firm tells the answer to UW (probably Alvarez).

This lets the coaches say "No I have no been contacted by anyone from Wisconson," because they have been contacted by X search firm. It also prevents the hiring process from going public and embarrassing the school. That way, if all three of those guys reject the job, UW can pretend like Mel Tucker was their first choice because no one will find out that they actually contacted the 3 other guys beforehand.

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Jeff Potrykus‏@jaypo1961

Good college football source says new name to watch in #Badgers coaching search is C. Petersen of Boise State.

I honestly threw his name out when someone mentioned it b/c of the other offers I assumed he has gotten but has stayed. That would be an amazing coup if they got him.

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I don't know why you feel the need to defend Bielema, Grendon. The man left Wisconsin. We didn't fire him.

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Barry is gonna coach us in the Rose Bowl.

http://host.madison.com/sports/college/ ... 963f4.html

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FYI, it seems like the Chris Peterson rumors might be fabricated. I just google'd it and there were several different message board threads started with the same headline and post, that someone called 1250AM and said that they had family in the AD who said the Badgers met with Chris Peterson. Easy way to start a false rumor, IMO.

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Potrykus said he talked to a source that said Petersen is a possibility.

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Potrykus said he talked to a source that said Petersen is a possibility.

Well, he said it's a "name to watch." Not sure what that means. Does that mean we'll look at him, or that he has interest? Really vague terms, IMO.

[Kerb Hohl]

I think I just defend him because he is underrated by many. As I said, I am happy to try something new so it's not a huge deal, but some people act as if he was some boob that stumbled into a good situation and that some coach is going to magically dominate big games.

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Did he not stumble into a good situation? How many coaches have to go to coach at say Kent State or Louisiana Tech before they get a shot at an ACC, Big 12 or Big Ten school? He was handed the job to a major conference school without any previous head coaching experience. How often does that happen? My guess is you could count the number of guys that happens to on one hand.

[Kerb Hohl]

@NWARobbie: Very interesting nugget from post press conference interviews. AD Jeff Long said he got a letter from Bret Bielema in September.

[Kerb Hohl]

Did he not stumble into a good situation? How many coaches have to go to coach at say Kent State or Louisiana Tech before they get a shot at an ACC, Big 12 or Big Ten school? He was handed the job to a major conference school without any previous head coaching experience. How often does that happen? My guess is you could count the number of guys that happens to on one hand.

Sure, but he succeeded with it. Many are chalking his success up to random luck or something.

[El Duderino]

Did he not stumble into a good situation? How many coaches have to go to coach at say Kent State or Louisiana Tech before they get a shot at an ACC, Big 12 or Big Ten school? He was handed the job to a major conference school without any previous head coaching experience. How often does that happen? My guess is you could count the number of guys that happens to on one hand.

It happens a lot more than you think where an assistant coach gets his first job in a BCS conference.

Hell, you said "My guess is you could count the number of guys that happens to on one hand", yet it happened three times just involving Wisconsin. All three of Alvarez, Bielema, and Chryst never were a head coach before. Saban was never a head coach before MSU hired him. Les Miles was never a head coach before Oklahoma St. hired him. Kirk Ferentz was never a head coach before Iowa hired him. Those names came up in five minutes of me checking. I''m sure there are plenty more, but i have no desire to spend more time looking.

[El Duderino]

The football program is not going to decline by losing Bielema. I am 100% positive of that.

I'd never assume something that strongly in college sports. Bad hires happen to often, unless you think that W on the helmet makes Wisconsin immune to a bad hire.

Do you think Tennessee fans could have ever fathomed going 3-13 in the SEC over the last two years?

Michigan fans imaging how far their program fell after a poor hire?

UCLA fans imaging going from Rose Bowls against Alvarez to many years of being mediocre to garbage?

Notre Dame fans imaging nearly two decades of being largely irrelevant after multiple bad hires?

Miami fans imagining their program becoming pretty irrelevant after coaching hires failed?

Colorado going from a program blowing out Barry at Wisconsin to 1-11 this year?

Those are just a few situations among so many others and all of those programs had histories of success way trumping what Wisconsin has had going since Barry got hired.

FWIW, i'm not trying to say Bielema was so good that he's irreplaceable, just that college football history has shown the continuation of success is far from a given when a new coach is brought in, especially for non-top college programs in states lacking a consistent flow of top high school talent.

It's all up to Alvarez and there is no special science to hiring coaches. He ended up making a smart hire picking Bielema and he needs to hit on this hire because none of the programs i listed above, along with other previously winning programs would have thought their programs would nosedive either after a winning coach left.

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Jeff Potrykus‏@jaypo1961

Good college football source says new name to watch in #Badgers coaching search is C. Petersen of Boise State.

Would love it.

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Sonny Dykes going to Cal....Petersen not going there. Strong staying at Louisville with a new deal.

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Erasmus James: "The revelation from Arkansas athletic director Jeff Long that Bielema had sent him a letter in September (remember, everyone knew then Arkansas would be looking for a full-time coach after the season) is definitely not going to sit well with Badgers fans."

Bielema is a **** ****. He was job hunting from the beginning of this past season (if not sooner, as far as we know).

[Kerb Hohl]

Erasmus James: "The revelation from Arkansas athletic director Jeff Long that Bielema had sent him a letter in September (remember, everyone knew then Arkansas would be looking for a full-time coach after the season) is definitely not going to sit well with Badgers fans."

Bielema is a **** ****. He was job hunting from the beginning of this past season (if not sooner, as far as we know).

Let's take a step back here. Guy is in a business, just like you or me. As greedy as it seems, he's in an awesome position where he can go wherever the hell he wants and pretty much name his price. Do all of us think he had it good here? Yes.

Could he want to go somewhere else, thinking he may enjoy it more or utilize it better to achieve his career goals? He is free to do that. Just as I am free to go to a competitive company because I haven't gotten **** for a raise or they keep giving me menial tasks.

BB was professional about it. He did throw a few shots at UW in his presser, but he's a douchey salesman trying to sell his new product. All the best to him.

You'll probably celebrate Chris Petersen coming here, and let's say BB had pinged him a year ago saying "hey, I heard whispers that Bielema isn't happy. Would you ever considering coming here next year?" So let's say that happens. You're probably elated.

The bizarro humanrefutation over on some Boise board probably will call Petersen a dickbag for leaving.

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Yeah if I thought I cold get a 25-33% raise from a competitor I wouldn't think twice about leaving my company, I know fans get emotionally invested in their teams but if you look at it from their perspective it is easy to see why and how it could happen.